SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

flystorms — Tue, 26 Mar 2019 11:08:51 GMT

I can't believe this thread has gone 3 pages now.

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Redbird Alum — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:43:23 GMT

My behaviour may have been retarded .... However, it is not my domain to argue or fight anymore against anyone. First off, we don't use the "retarded" word anymore. Secondly, thank you for finally insisting the arguments can end!

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Former Member — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:38:24 GMT

My behaviour may have been retarded but that doesn't mean I can't add further information to a member's post an idiot like me might find useful. However, it is not my domain to argue or fight anymore against anyone.

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Calvin S — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 10:52:46 GMT

11871

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Former Member — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 08:46:56 GMT

Things that Rykno forgot to mention about what he's talking about: 1. There are people with such nose anatomy that allows them to reduce the bubble stream to a tiny level without water entering their noses, from there it is very easy to find the balance. Practice method: Try reducing the bubble stream as much as possible until you reach the balance. 2. However, there are a number of people whose noses get flooded when they reduce the bubble stream under a certain level. (meaning that they'll have to practice the instant stop of the bubble stream) With that said: Practice method 1: If you're blowing bubbles out you can alternatively try to suddenly close your soft-palate and at the same time press your tounge against the roof of your palate (palatum durum). This maneuver for some people creates enough pressure and vacuum to keep water outside of the nasal cavity. Practice method 2: If the soft-palate trick doesn't work for you, you'll have to control the bubble stream by using your diaphragm only. Pay attention to have an opened epiglottis and soft-palate during the process, as the way of air should be guaranteed. You may as well instinctively close your soft palate to avoid getting water in your throat, this is a habit you should give up to practice properly. Step one: Apply a strong enough bubble stream out of your nose that doesn't allow water to enter. Step two: Instantly stop that bubble stream completely with your diaphragm (by contracting it / inhalation process) With this water will enter to the entrance of your nostrils. Step three: Push a little air to equalize the pressure between the air in your nose and the water at the entrance of your nasal passages. Extra advice: You can also use your abdominals to force pressure up your nose. Note that step three is considered as a "natural reflex" by professional doctors and swim coaches, which means it should happen automatically after a certain amount of practice. If it doesn't happen, you should go and see a nose doctor.

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Former Member — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 07:43:48 GMT

I am a failure at something I've been practising for months already that other people learn in 2 hours and yes, it is extremely humiliating, that is why I invested so much effort into investigating the secret of this thing. Just too many people around me can do this for me not to be keen on learning it myself as well.

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Former Member — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 06:04:02 GMT

Look. I can be wrong, for sure. But for example, today I talked to a guy, who is 187 cm tall and 120 kg, he is untrained, he does not swim regurarly, neither has he ever been a competitive or regular swimmer in his childhood. In summer he usually goes to the nearby lake and during the winter he goes to baths sometimes. He told me he started trying to be face-up underwater and equalize the pressure in the nose and he succeeded after 2 hours of practice. He also told me that how he did it was with the diaphragm. Like if you're constantly blowing bubbles out, and then suddenly stop the bubble stream with the diaphragm. (and not with the closing of the soft palate, neither the epiglottis)... He is not the only untrained person who could do this easily, there are tons of other people I've talked to. Like, non swimmers. I also found a blog, blog.swimator.com/.../human-nose-clip-getting-water-up-my.html I'm begging you to read the second method. I also contacted this guy on facebook and asked him because I've tried this method yet the water still flooded my nose. He told me that after you suck in a little water to the entrance of your nasal passages, you have to push a little air to equalize the pressure. This claim justifies the stocky, untrained guy mentioned before, who used his diaphragm to stop the bubble stream and the only way you can stop the bubble stream with your diaphragm is that you contract that muscle, and that is equal to the inhalation process. That is why sucking little water into the entrance of the nasal passage works for a lot of people, as they instinctively push a little air somehow afterwards to equalize pressure. This is described as a natural human reflex by the two doctors. Again, I am not trying to convince you about how it is NOT good to be full exhaling underwater face-up or wearing a nose clip or using the upper lip. No. I have never said those were WRONG and please accept that fact. But I also realized how you slated me without properly reading what I was trying to tell you. This is a forum swimming related and this is a swimming related issue. Even a swimming coach confirmed that this thing exists.

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Jeff Enge — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 05:29:26 GMT

Now you're trying to give advice for something nobody but you cares to do but you apparently believe everyone but you can do?

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Jeff Enge — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 04:14:48 GMT

Ok, you keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel worse about yourself, because apparently that's what you want.

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Jeff Enge — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 02:32:26 GMT

I do not understand why you have invested so much effort to justify you being wrong so you can feel like you're a failure at something.

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Former Member — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 15:45:11 GMT

I guess half of THESE competitve swimmers troll around as well by not releasing bubbles during the underwater dolphin... www.youtube.com/watch

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Former Member — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 15:07:24 GMT

I've never been wrong. Yes, his post is about exhaling just enough to have a bubble trapped rofl, which practically doesn't count as full exhalation as no air leaves his nostrils. That was my point all along. But you narrow-minded folks just wouldn't listen, just because you've never tried this doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And since this is a topic about exactly the same issue, I have the right to post and justify my claims for which I was cast away in the other topic lol. At least 70% of those who can swim and are not afraid to go underwater can do this, as 2 professional doctors have already confirmed to me that this ability is a natural reflex dependent on the central neural system, which means those people who cannot do it either have nasal health or respiratory system issues, or their central neural system is micro-damaged on the exact spot that is responsible for this ability. Even one of you guys admitted that you could do it, yet still insist on denying the existence of this thing...

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Jeff Enge — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 12:47:00 GMT

I know I didn't (couldn't). ;) I couldn't watch it embedded but I searched it on YouTube. Everybody in the race is either blowing out their nose, wearing a clip, or covering their nose with their upper lip. All things that this person who is "never wrong" rejects as acceptable ways to be on your back underwater.

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Calvin S — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 12:24:21 GMT

You didn't even watch that video, did you? I know I didn't (couldn't). ;)

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Jeff Enge — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 11:49:16 GMT

You didn't even watch that video, did you?

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Jeff Enge — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 11:41:00 GMT

I've never been wrong. Stop trolling.

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Former Member — Fri, 01 Mar 2019 17:24:54 GMT

Look at Rykno's post btw...

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Jeff Enge — Fri, 01 Mar 2019 07:28:00 GMT

Look at Rykno's post btw... Rykono's post still talks about exhaling. You ain't going to win this one when you've been wrong all along.

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

67King — Fri, 01 Mar 2019 04:35:50 GMT

Congratulations! You found ONE other post from TEN YEARS AGO where someone else mentioned it......again in a non-competitive environment. Those are some serious skills you have there. You should put them to work helping out the flat Earthers convince the rest of the population of their infinite wisdom. Becuase, you know, the world just LOVES a know-it-all. If we all tell you you are right, will you just go away?

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

orca1946 — Wed, 27 May 2009 12:14:42 GMT

If a clip will solve the problem - use one! I don't like the feel of one.

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Jim Clemmons — Tue, 26 May 2009 02:28:33 GMT

if a nose clip is uncomfortable, try inserting a cocktail olive in each nostril... make certain that they are packed in brine and not oil as the latter are quite slippery and will displace with the slightest exhalation pressure. If oil is your only option, be careful to not inhale accidently! when you're finished with your backstroke set, insert toothpick, pry out, and enjoy a tasty little snack! Or two. Yuck.:afraid:

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Ahelee Sue Osborn — Tue, 26 May 2009 01:38:16 GMT

you can practice by standing on your hands in the pool and try to have your head as straight as you can. If you can't find a balance then work on exhaling slower so you can go farther. Exhaling while on your back or your head being upside down, might also reduce the distance off the wall when turning. So if you can improve on keeping the air in, you might be able to increase that distance as well. Hmmm.... Rykno - very interesting control drill. Gonna try it. And then try it on some of the "cruiser lane" swimmers!

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Former Member — Fri, 22 May 2009 09:56:35 GMT

How about just avoiding backstroke whenever possible? That's the Geek way out.

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Former Member — Fri, 22 May 2009 08:46:35 GMT

Here is a nice back stroke Awesome. I didn't realize the WR was already broken.

RE: SDK on your back without breathing out your nose

Former Member — Wed, 20 May 2009 15:32:25 GMT

How about just avoiding backstroke whenever possible?