University of Washington Cutting Swimming

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gobears — Wed, 06 May 2009 08:45:13 GMT

4. letting Rick Neuhesel go because he wouldn't stand in line to bang tainted AD Barbara Hedges. i guess too many of the LA ghetto busters in front. This was my personal favorite. Nice. I'm sure you'd say the same about a "tainted" male AD, right? :rolleyes:

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knelson — Tue, 05 May 2009 11:43:08 GMT

What makes you think that these Big West school's swim programs are any more secure than UW was last year at this time? Definitely a bad assumption. We did have practice at the University of Washington last night and one of the assistants filled us in on the details of the teams being dropped. One thing he pointed out that's really worth thinking about is that the team supoporters are always great in reacting to these situations, but they really need to be proactive. Don't assume ANY program is safe. Without a solid revenue stream coming in there's no guarantee that any team will survive.

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BillS — Tue, 05 May 2009 08:51:19 GMT

cantwait4bike, I don't want to jump on a bashing bandwagon. But I also don't want you or any other readers of this forum to think that by my remaining silent I believe that your post was OK, or that that I failed to find it offensive. I found it deeply disturbing, and your follow-up reply in which you fail to recognize the problems with it equally so. At times, silence can amount to tacit acquiescence. I won't sleep well without speaking out. I keep hearing about how we are at least on the cusp of a post-racial society, in which all men are judged by their actions, inactions, and words, rather than the color of their skin. And while I know better, in my more optimistic moments I like to believe that we are just about on that cusp. And then, inevitably, something ugly and base like your shameful post surfaces to remind me that the dream remains, for now, just a dream.

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Former Member — Mon, 04 May 2009 16:28:32 GMT

Lefty, you have insulted all of the worms out there.

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Former Member — Mon, 04 May 2009 13:29:47 GMT

The Seattle news (KOMO) quoted the athletic department as saying the main reason was the lack of sales of football tickets. The lack of football tickets sales is clearly the result of a history of recruiting incompendency...such as 1. recruiting a dumbo quarterback in jake locker, while turning thumbs down on the kid from Prosser who is now a All American with Boise State (and wanted to play for UW). 2. recruiting the ghetto busters from LA that USC or UCLA rejected as probable jailbait and usually end up in King County jail. 3. being politically correct hiring a washed up minority coach from the worst football program in the United States -Notre Dame...and then keeping him for five years so as to continue to be sensitive to minorities in Seattle. 4. letting Rick Neuhesel go because he wouldn't stand in line to bang tainted AD Barbara Hedges. i guess too many of the LA ghetto busters in front. You sir, are a racist and a worm.

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Former Member — Mon, 04 May 2009 08:49:14 GMT

That's really interesting to me. I guess I have always been under the impression that athletes are disciplined and determined. Why wouldn't you finish college? (I realize that there are any number of circumstances that could keep someone from not finishing.) I just figured that athletes would have a higher graduation rate. Pollyanna, Jr. (b/c we all know that Ahelee means Pollyanna ; ) Its because all these programs produce or attempt to produce pro athletes. With the rules now stating that basketball players have to go to college for a year before they can go pro really hurts those numbers. you have the Greg Odens and Derrick Rose's that enroll for a year and leave. They never graduate, it hurts the percentages for that school. Samething with football, but I think its 2 years then you can enter the draft. Its not that they aren't determined or motivated, they are just looking to sign that fat paycheck asap!

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Former Member — Mon, 04 May 2009 07:42:52 GMT

It's well known that college football and basketball players are nothing but hired actors who's function is to bring in $$$ and other than playing sports, they really don't have any business being on a college campus. Just look at how many professional sports figures ("O.J." for an example) wind up in a serious confrontation with the criminal justice system. Dolphin 2 Wow. I didn't know there were so many actors that can run a 4.5 sec 40 yard dash, leap 40 inches vertically, and dunk a basketball. Lots wrong with college football and basketball - but like with most things - you are full of hyperbole.

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Ahelee Sue Osborn — Mon, 04 May 2009 07:09:24 GMT

I think people tend to forget that their are a lot of division 1 teams out there with solid swimming programs (and a chance to grow/improve). Sure the Pac 10 conference has taken a huge hit, but take a look at the Big West conference in CA for example. UC Irvine, UCSB, Cal Poly, UOP, and CSU Northridge all of D1 men's and women's swimming. Sure, none of these schools get representation (not much at least) at the NCAA championships or anything of the sort. But, they are all quality schools (most of which have no football team) with swim programs that are on the verge of breaking through. If the "big time" schools don't want swimmers, send them to schools like this. They will improve the quality of the team and be taken care of and appreciated. What makes you think that these Big West school's swim programs are any more secure than UW was last year at this time? Ask some questions. Talk to the swim head coach at the university that you are connected to as an alumni or a masters athlete. Most of them are very concerned about the immediate future of their teams. (just don't call me polly)

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Former Member — Mon, 04 May 2009 07:06:52 GMT

It's well known that college football and basketball players are nothing but hired actors who's function is to bring in $$$ and other than playing sports, they really don't have any business being on a college campus. No Dolphin, this little fact is only circulated at Klan rallies so only you and cantwait4reich are privy to it.

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aquageek — Mon, 04 May 2009 06:58:58 GMT

It's well known that college football and basketball players are nothing but hired actors who's function is to bring in $$$ and other than playing sports, they really don't have any business being on a college campus. This is a downright offensive statement and completely inaccurate. For every OJ you can quote, I can quote hundreds of athletes who done good things with their education and sports background. The number of college players who go pro is closer to 0% than 1%.

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Chris Stevenson — Mon, 04 May 2009 06:50:32 GMT

Please do not follow D2's (rather inane) lead and paint with too broad a brush. The fraction of college bball and football athletes who truly hope to be professional athletes is tiny. The others are, in the main, no better or worse than other college athletes. (Though sometimes they suffer from a sense of entitlement, especially in big D1 programs. Not really surprising since they are often treated that way.) Sometimes they struggle with their studies because admission standards were lowered too much (IMO, one of the worst sins associated with college athletics, and it isn't just football and bball) and b/c training and games take an inordinate amount of time. But I've known a lot of football players who were disciplined and committed students, including one U of Richmond alum who got a degree in chemistry, played some pro ball, and is currently an astronaut.

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Former Member — Mon, 04 May 2009 06:32:44 GMT

cantwait4bike: are you kidding? I really hope so. Even if you are I can't believe you'd post something like that. Wow. It's well known that college football and basketball players are nothing but hired actors who's function is to bring in $$$ and other than playing sports, they really don't have any business being on a college campus. Just look at how many professional sports figures ("O.J." for an example) wind up in a serious confrontation with the criminal justice system. Dolphin 2

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Karen Duggan — Mon, 04 May 2009 04:16:09 GMT

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Paul Smith — Mon, 04 May 2009 04:10:26 GMT

Wow. I didn't know there were so many actors that can run a 4.5 sec 40 yard dash, leap 40 inches vertically, and dunk a basketball. Lots wrong with college football and basketball - but like with most things - you are full of hyperbole. A few years ago I would have 100% agreed that college football and basketball players were "actors" posing as students...and although there are still a lot of problems and BS going on gradutaion rates have improved: 2008 NCAA Graduation Success Rate for BCS Football Programs 1. Notre Dame 94% 2. Stanford 93 T3. BC 92 T3. Duke 92 T3. Northwestern 92 6. Vanderbilt 91 7. Wake Forest 83 8. Texas Tech 79 T9. Baylor 78 T9. Nebraska 78 T9. UNC 78 T9. Penn State 78 T13. UConn 77 T13. Indiana 77 T15. Colorado 75 T15. Iowa 75 T15. Syracuse 75 T15. Virginia Tech 75 19. Cincinnati 73 T20. Illinois 70 T20. Michigan 70 T20. Miami 70 T20. Rutgers 70 24. Florida State 69 T25. Clemson 68 T25. Florida 68 T25. Maryland 68 T25. Wash State 68 Basketball is still a disgrace...so i guess we can say that the majority are "actors' nbcsports.msnbc.com/.../ At least Maryland went from 0% in 2007 to 10% in 2008!

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SLOmmafan — Mon, 04 May 2009 04:07:21 GMT

We as swimmers should be careful judging other sports - or biggest current celebrity has already managed a DUI and a major drug related fiasco. The second biggest managed to gain attention posing for Maxim and Playboy. In a sport where I can count the "star athletes" on one hand, that not too good of a precedent!

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Paul Smith — Mon, 04 May 2009 02:37:53 GMT

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Karen Duggan — Mon, 04 May 2009 01:41:18 GMT

I've just been lurking here but I took "Bike's" post as an insider with information. Yes, it probably could have been worded better, but if the facts are facts... I didn't find it offensive. (Back to lurking)

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SLOmmafan — Mon, 04 May 2009 01:29:26 GMT

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That Guy — Mon, 04 May 2009 01:08:10 GMT

stick your head in the sand Never tried that. Sounds fun! complain about them eliminating the M&W swim programs Hmm. No, I never did that. afterall, it would be unthinkable to actually go after the root cause and solve the problem along with bringing back the swim programs What is your proposal? I must have missed it. yep always easier for some :banana:

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cantwait4bike — Sun, 03 May 2009 12:50:13 GMT

this is straight from a friend of mine who was asst football coach for 7 years. if you don't want to believe it, fine! stick your head in the sand and complain about them eliminating the M&W swim programs. afterall, it would be unthinkable to actually go after the root cause and solve the problem along with bringing back the swim programs.......yep always easier for some

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Former Member — Sun, 03 May 2009 07:17:09 GMT

Okay Mr. Gates and Mr. Allen get your checkbooks out.

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Michael Heather — Sat, 02 May 2009 12:57:03 GMT

This is very sad news indeed. The UW football team has shown to be trouble through the years, getting suspended twice, I think, for recruiting malfeasance. The swim programs routinely have the highest GPAs and graduation rates of all sports, yet get the axe first off. The ASU program is ok for a couple of more years, until an endowment is in place to make it permanent. If UW only has 6 lanes, that is a problem to recruit with and establish an endowment. They had some great swimmers come from that program in the 70s (Robin Backus, Steve Tallman, etc.) Did Scott Lautman go there?

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That Guy — Sat, 02 May 2009 11:20:28 GMT

Agree 100% with knelson. Terrible post.

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knelson — Sat, 02 May 2009 10:19:50 GMT

cantwait4bike: are you kidding? I really hope so. Even if you are I can't believe you'd post something like that. Wow.

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cantwait4bike — Sat, 02 May 2009 05:06:46 GMT