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Former Member — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:28:09 GMT

Well, I have something to say on the matter of HGH. It is the fountain of YOUTH! THE BEST THING EVER! And yes, i know of this first hand. Last Feb 21st, I was in a bad motorcycle accident in which i broke both legs (multiple fractures both legs) my back, my scapula (in half) right acromium process. After three back to back to back surgeries, my doctor told and prescribed to me HGH. During my MONTHS of rehabbing my different body parts just to normal, i began the process of rebuilding. This is when i used the HGH. First i started by wheeling myself to the edge of the pool and falling in (i was in wheelchair 7 weeks, thats it). i began to walk in shoulder high water because my legs could not take the weight. Eventually i worked my way to walking etc. Without the HGH, i would still be in PT and working on getting back to normal. Because of it, My body changed for the better all the way around, skin, organs, tendons and ligaments, vision, hair, nails EVERYTHING! I am sure if i took HGH while in peak condition, it would have a huge ramifications. But after what it did for me and my health, i dont give a :censor: about anybody's thoughts that i am doping! Its not doping if you are doing it for health reasons, some may have ligit issues and take certain medications for a REASON! This is masters, like one member said " its chill and laid back' i agree. Keep the Olympics clean, let everyone else do as they wish! WHO CARES if anyone else does it? and WHY? I can see in Olympic comp, but not here. IT WAS THE BEST THING FOR ME AND MY OVERALL WELL BEING! it should be embraced. It will do so much good for you ALL. And i promise you, I will use it again. God Bless and best of luck to everyone in NATs! Greg ps. its a big part of me competing this weekend in MV! See you there.:cane: pss. i dont know of anyones past doping allegations and convictions, wasnt trying to approve or condone anyones thoughts or feelings. Just giving input on my experience.

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Former Member — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:45:39 GMT

CAZ99, I'm thrilled for you. Glad you recovered so well. Thanks for sharing. I still laugh at the thought of anyone doping in masters. The recognition at least for me is about on par with nil. The best exchange I had was in a bar when my husband mentioned some of my swimming accomplishments to some of the patrons/ our friends (who were drunk and happy might I add) and the response was, "Oh yeah? I did ALTA as a kid." And my true fave, "Watch out for her. She'll kick your ass." :bitching: Going back to no weights pronto. Not really an ego feed IMO. I've gotten more praise for my clogging ability. So if you need to dope for that along with the $0 endorsements, go for it. I think doping is the least of your problems.

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mattson — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:40:34 GMT

I know how challenging it can be to read anything outside of sports and comics in the paper to keep up on world events- so here is a little help. About as challenging as seeing a "smilie" icon after a comment, and not realizing that means teasing/joking. :doh:

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smontanaro — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:07:58 GMT

FYI - YouTube - Terry & Vlad 100 yard free.

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Former Member — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:02:04 GMT

And CAZ99, thanks for your story.

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Former Member — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:58:50 GMT

This was an interesting thread. Why does everyone have to be an internet tough guy? I don't get it? It ruins every thread. Ehoch's link about the Soviet union in the olympics article was very interesting. Well worth coming to see this thread. I was hoping Vlad would post a little bit about what he experienced. Count me in on that -- I'd love to hear some personal stories from Vlad, or from any of you for that matter.

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Former Member — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:59:54 GMT

This was an interesting thread. Why does everyone have to be an internet tough guy? I don't get it? It ruins every thread. Ehoch's link about the Soviet union in the olympics article was very interesting. Well worth coming to see this thread. I was hoping Vlad would post a little bit about what he experienced. You misunderstood my post;it was (meant to be) comedic.

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Former Member — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:44:55 GMT

Really interesting to read all this! I'm just wondering...do people really think that using those anabolic steroids or any other staff will help you to swim faster? Wow, the delusional bluster of even attempting that statement really diminishes the credibility of your previous denials.

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Former Member — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:41:55 GMT

I laughed out loud when I read this. There is a semblance of a moral construct here, it seems to be based on the believe that the sky is falling. The punctuation really brings the point home. Who needs grammar when we'll all be dead? Thanks, aloha, really you have made my day. This was an interesting thread. Why does everyone have to be an internet tough guy? I don't get it? It ruins every thread. Ehoch's link about the Soviet union in the olympics article was very interesting. Well worth coming to see this thread. I was hoping Vlad would post a little bit about what he experienced.

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Former Member — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:28:19 GMT

would you guys leave Vlad alone. its in the past. history. now we are in the world of masters swimming. laid back, easy goin. who cares. so he cheated....alegdedly, so did the ding bat most of you most likely voted for president back in november. THIS JUST IN.....90% of the humans on this planet are liars, cheaters, thieves, greedy selfish bastards. if Vlad did indeed dope, i dont care. i met the dude at Standford and he is alright in my book. ive met ehoch and he is a bit better than ok in my book. live and let live. me thinks roids should be legal anyway....why you ask? cuz everybody is doping and cheating anyway, its OVER. arod, bonds, mcguire, sosa, ben johnson, marion jones, 99% of cyclists, that swimmer chick, blah blah blah....theyve already ruined it, open the flood gates. at all your ages youd think youd have gotten it by now, the whole world is tainted by liars and cheaters, crooked politicians, dopers, greedy lawyers, judges, cops on the take, etc................... we'll all be dead soon so who cares my .02 I laughed out loud when I read this. There is a semblance of a moral construct here, it seems to be based on the believe that the sky is falling. The punctuation really brings the point home. Who needs grammar when we'll all be dead? Thanks, aloha, really you have made my day.

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Former Member — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:59:51 GMT

Yeah, but I've heard that ehoch likes to hang around with dopers. I know how challenging it can be to read anything outside of sports and comics in the paper to keep up on world events- so here is a little help. German Reunification The German reunification started in the summer of 1989, when Hungary decided (May 2) to dismantle the Iron Curtain and open the borders (August 23), causing an exodus of thousands of East Germans (September 11) going to West Germany. The political crisis that followed the Hungarian events, lead to GDR's first free elections on March 18, 1990 and to the negotiations between the GDR and FRG culminated in a Unification Treaty. The united Germany remained a member of the European Community (later the European Union) and of NATO. There is debate as to whether the events of 1990 should be properly referred to as a "reunification" or a "unification". Proponents of the former use the term in contrast with the initial unification of Germany in 1871. Popular parlance, which uses "reunification", is deeply affected by the 1989 opening of the Berlin Wall (and the rest of the inner German border) and the physical reunification of the city of Berlin (itself divided only since 1945). Others, however, argue that 1990 represented a "unification" of two German states into a larger entity which, in its resulting form, had never before existed (see History of Germany). For political and diplomatic reasons, West German politicians carefully avoided the term "reunification" during the run-up to what Germans frequently refer to as die Wende. The official and most common term in German is "Deutsche Einheit" (in English "German unity"). German unity is the term that Hans-Dietrich Genscher used in front of international journalists to correct them when they asked him about "reunification" in 1990. After 1990, the term "die Wende" became more common. The term generally refers to the events (mostly in Eastern Europe) that led up to the actual reunification; in its usual context, this term loosely translates to "the turning point", without any further meaning. When referring to the events surrounding unification, however, it carries the cultural connotation of the time and the events in the GDR that brought about this "turnaround" in German history. Police officers of the East German Volkspolizei wait for the official opening of the Brandenburg Gate on 22 December 1989.Germany was officially united at 00:00 CET on 3 October 1990, when the five re-established federal states (Bundesländer) of East Germany – Brandenburg, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt, Thuringia – formally joined the Federal Republic of Germany, along with the city-state Berlin which formally came into being at the same time, created out of the still formally occupied West Berlin and East Berlin, and admitted to the federation. In practice however, West Berlin had already acted as an 11th state for most purposes, so Berlin is generally not included in the list of "New Länder". The process chosen was one of two options implemented in the West German constitution (Grundgesetz). As these five newly-founded German states formally joined the Federal Republic in accordance with (the then-existing) Article 23, the area in which the constitution served as the constitution was simply extended to include them. The alternative would have been for East Germany to join as a whole along the lines of a formal union between two German states that then would have had to, amongst other things, create a new constitution for the newly established country. To facilitate this process and to reassure other countries, some changes were made to the "Basic Law" (constitution). Article 146 was amended so that Article 23 of the current constitution could be used for reunification. After the five "New Länder" of East Germany had joined, the constitution was amended again to indicate that all parts of Germany are now unified. Article 23 was rewritten as keeping it could be understood as an invitation to e.g. Austria to join. However, the constitution can be amended again at some future date and it still permits the adoption of another constitution by the German people at some time in the future. On 18 May 1990, the two German states signed a treaty agreeing on Monetary, Economic and Social Union. This came into force on 1 July 1990, with the Deutsche Mark replacing the East German mark as the official currency of East Germany. On 14 November 1990, the German government signed a treaty with Poland, finalising Germany's boundaries as permanent along the Oder-Neisse line, and thus, renouncing any claims to Silesia, East Brandenburg, Farther Pomerania, Gdańsk (Danzig), and territories of the former province of East Prussia. The following month, the first all-German free elections since 1932 were held, resulting in an increased majority for the coalition government of Chancellor Helmut Kohl.

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Tim L — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:06:30 GMT

would you guys leave Vlad alone. its in the past. history. now we are in the world of masters swimming. laid back, easy goin. who cares. so he cheated....alegdedly, so did the ding bat most of you most likely voted for president back in november. THIS JUST IN.....90% of the humans on this planet are liars, cheaters, thieves, greedy selfish bastards. if Vlad did indeed dope, i dont care. i met the dude at Standford and he is alright in my book. ive met ehoch and he is a bit better than ok in my book. live and let live. me thinks roids should be legal anyway....why you ask? cuz everybody is doping and cheating anyway, its OVER. arod, bonds, mcguire, sosa, ben johnson, marion jones, 99% of cyclists, that swimmer chick, blah blah blah....theyve already ruined it, open the flood gates. at all your ages youd think youd have gotten it by now, the whole world is tainted by liars and cheaters, crooked politicians, dopers, greedy lawyers, judges, cops on the take, etc................... we'll all be dead soon so who cares my .02 We are cynical, but not that cynical. Reverse your percentages and you might be in the right ballpark. I am tired of lowering our standards because a minority of people can't live up to them. Also, "allegedly"? I believe it was a positive test and the appeal failed. Sure, there is a chance that it was all a big mistake and he had bad counsel, etc., but there is a process to it and he didn't prevail. I am all for foregiveness and Vlad seems like a real nice guy and this is just masters swimming, but if foregiveness means anarchy for sports in the future, then count me out. Essentially in your world you would have to make a decision maybe at a very young age to take steriods or other PEDs which may have a long-term health impact just so you can compete at a national/international level. That is going down the wrong road. Tim

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The Fortress — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:42:36 GMT

i met the dude at Standford and he is alright in my book. ive met ehoch and he is a bit better than ok in my book. At least we're not dumb enough to be star struck simply upon meeting a "celebrity" swimmer ... It took me about 2 years to decide that Geek was in the 10%. lol

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aloha — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:08:11 GMT

my apologies folks i had a few too many Hinanos last night

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KEWebb18 — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:59:33 GMT

Wow I never thought that by reading a thread about an impressive time that I would learn anything about the events surrounding the changing political environment in Germany.I am thankful that I never had to experience such political turmoil. Thank you ehoch for educating me...

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aquageek — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:22:55 GMT

90% of the humans on this planet are liars, cheaters, thieves, greedy selfish bastards. And, 10% aren't and that's a whole lot of people.

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Jim Clemmons — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:01:58 GMT

I was previously of this mentality as well until I threw back a big can of Full Throttle energy drink. See? I told you so... Try it around 1:30/2:00pm along with a cup of swim meet coffee that's been reducing for about 4 hours. And have everyone stand back! :bliss:

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mattson — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:06:05 GMT

ive met ehoch and he is a bit better than ok in my book. Yeah, but I've heard that ehoch likes to hang around with dopers. If he is friends with that crowd, can you really trust him? :afraid: I know a lot of the East-German guys - they are all doing fine now

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Karen Duggan — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:37:11 GMT

Wow, intense thread. There is no doubt in my mind that there are Masters swimmers who are doping. This was addressed a couple of years ago in another thread when someone suggested that Masters swimmers be tested. As to aloha's comment. I too think you are backwards. Thankfully, 90% are not liars, cheaters, and thieves. At least not to the degree that will be the downfall of our society. Now excuse me, I need to go hide my syringes in the toilet (so my two-headed baby doesn't accidentally poke himself). :lmao:

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aquageek — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:59:55 GMT

The use of PED by master swimmers, runners, trialthetes is just plain stupid. What are they trying to prove, that they are young again? I like the aging process and the fight against it by training smarter.Adding a mix of PEDs seems a bit over the top for a bunch of people who should be out to have fun. I was previously of this mentality as well until I threw back a big can of Full Throttle energy drink.

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Animal — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:52:15 GMT

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aloha — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:35:09 GMT

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Former Member — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:46:08 GMT

Mike, Thank you so much for support! My wife, I and our daughter - US Citizens! And we are happy here! I didn't go back to Russia since I moved here (10 years ago) Congratulations! I've never lived in any other country but I know I love this one. Immigration and the infusion of people from many lands has always been a big plus. (Hope I didn't break the forum "no politics" rule here ---)

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Former Member — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:12:40 GMT

That being said, why are we all getting on Vlad? What about the other guy? Is HE clean? We - or at least me - is getting on Vlad, because in my opinion, he won several Olympic medals while using performance enhancing drugs and he still will not come "clean" about it. I just have a problem with this. In doping, you will almost never be able to prove anything, you can only connect the dots. Here are the dots: - all Soviet National Team swimmers were doping till at least the 1988 games -- they had a boat at the freaking games to make sure that they were not testing positive. Now at that time our friend here was probably already on the National youth team - he was 18. - the Unified Team had their best Olympics ever in Men's swimming (except for 1980 of course) at the 1992 games. - the "system" changed, but not everything fell apart right away -- I know the East-Germans still had plenty of extra benefits and "fuel" after the Wall came down. - our friend here was caught in 1997 - silly him went outside of Russia to train and got caught. Now you can tell me all about that they did not have a choice and may not have known everything they took - but when I connect the dots, I have no doubt.

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Former Member — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:36:52 GMT

Really interesting to read all this! I'm just wondering...do people really think that using those anabolic steroids or any other staff will help you to swim faster? What about your liver? Kidneys? All your body??? 15-20 years later person would look like a prune!!! Yes, people really think that using thoes anabolic steroids will help you swim faster. To get a good perspective of what everyone thinks, you should make a poll on here asking that question.