Rafael Munoz obliterated the LCM WR in men's 50 fl

RE: Rafael Munoz obliterated the LCM WR in men's 50 fl

Former Member — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:20:43 GMT

Could they not get someone athletic to model for them? www.jaked.it/.../scheda_fml_eng.html

RE: Rafael Munoz obliterated the LCM WR in men's 50 fl

Former Member — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:25:23 GMT

Why would it get banned?This thing totally looks like a wetsuit. The jargon on their site it basically uses a clever description to say otherwise. Polyurethane...no seams Maybe the everyday average models are a ploy to throw FINA off track. :)

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chowmi — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:48:44 GMT

Could they not get someone athletic to model for them? www.jaked.it/.../scheda_fml_eng.html I was thinking the same thing! Check out the woman model! If it made me look like that, I wouldn't even try it on! And the bag? What's with that? Does it make you pack faster??? Is this suit currently allowed for USA and USMS?

RE: Rafael Munoz obliterated the LCM WR in men's 50 fl

Former Member — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:57:55 GMT

I was thinking the same thing! Check out the woman model! If it made me look like that, I wouldn't even try it on! I think it has to do with your Monitor's and Computer's resolution settings. You know, "the camera adds ten pounds" but a computer can work magic on the body fat (+ or -)

RE: Rafael Munoz obliterated the LCM WR in men's 50 fl

Former Member — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:55:13 GMT

Scintilating. For some reason the 50 looked more impressive. His finish was perfect. Do elite flyers know exact number of strokes? Do they look and make adjustments coming into the wall? Do they get lucky? His finishes in both races were impressive. Up to the 20m or 70m mark he was almost level with the competition and then he seemed to just accelerate "a la Phelps". N.B. The 100 was a bit choppy (and I have a fast Internet Connection.)

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Former Member — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:21:45 GMT

There's been some discussion regarding the new Jaked suits (and others like them). scaq.blogspot.com/.../more-splish-speedsuit-details-at-kast.html I like the comment about the masters swimmer who was going :51 for the 100 free...and with the suit he went a :46.

RE: Rafael Munoz obliterated the LCM WR in men's 50 fl

Former Member — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:12:15 GMT

If you study his progression, it looks very fishy (no pun intended) to me. He broke a 50 WR by about 1/2 second. His times from last summer are about 2.5 seconds slower in the 100 than they were this year. It just don't look right.

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knelson — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:53:13 GMT

The most amazing thing about those swims is how rinky-dink the facility looks! If you didn't realize how fast the swims were you'd think someone posted races from their local masters meet. I think Craig Lord made a good point about these swims: Under normal circumstances this would be a moment to go "wow" but these are not normal circumstances: the sport belongs to suits right now - and the performance and achievement of Munoz, the work of his coaches, is diminished as a consequence because we cannot compare what Munoz did to what Munoz is capable of without a performance-enhancing suit, nor to what Schoeman did, nor Welsh, nor Crocker, nor any of those others on the top 10 list and beyond. That it not being unfair to Munoz - it is just where the sport is right now at this transitory moment in swimming history. See www.swimnews.com/.../6771 Probably more people today know someone wearing a Jaked suit shattered the 50 fly WR than know Munoz's name. The suits really are overshadowing the swimmers.

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knelson — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:35:42 GMT

His times from last summer are about 2.5 seconds slower in the 100 than they were this year. It just don't look right. Actually he was ranked 26th last year in the 100 fly LC with a 52.09. That's only 1.51 slower than his time this year. A kid that age making that kind of improvement in a year (and it was a year, the 2008 time was done in March) doesn't seem that fishy to me, especially if the new suit is that fast. For comparison, Ian Crocker (born August 1982) swam a 52.21 in 2002 and a 50.98 in 2003.

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knelson — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:53:56 GMT

Wow. Munoz was born in 1988 so he's either 20 or 21.

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Allen Stark — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:37:48 GMT

www.jaked.it/index_eng.html Paul, Why would it get banned? Isn't it just another suit? Maybe it is strong enough that you can wear a tighter one without it ripping. Maybe this is the advantage. It looks like it won't pass the 50% permeability rule come 1/1/10

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rtodd — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:33:23 GMT

www.jaked.it/index_eng.html Paul, Why would it get banned? Isn't it just another suit? Maybe it is strong enough that you can wear a tighter one without it ripping. Maybe this is the advantage.

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Paul Smith — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:23:56 GMT

Auburn's (Euro) backstroker who barely qualified for NCAA's (1:45) in the 200 put the same suit on and goes 1:40+ at NCAA's. I spoke to a number of people who were there...these things are taking the LZR/B70 controversy to a new level. $5 says they will be banned by years end. * I also heard it took 4 guys assisting to get the thing on.

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rtodd — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:19:34 GMT

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ande — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 08:24:03 GMT

added youtube links YouTube - 50 Mariposa/50 Butterfly Rafael MuÃ±oz World Record 100 fly YouTube - 100 Mariposa Record Europa Rafael MuÃ±oz