Last 150 of my 500 falls off

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orca1946 — Sat, 27 Mar 2010 01:04:15 GMT

Now that you have tasted the tech suit , it's going to be gone !!! We were all faster as we think back , now it's going to be jammers.

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Former Member — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:55:58 GMT

Thanks Jeff! I think you're right. We seem to be pacing about the same. Good luck this weekend!

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Former Member — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:29:22 GMT

do you have any explanation for the following. Here is my 100: And here is my 50: AGE GROUP: 55-59 1 JIM THORNTON 57 M SEWY 53.35 25.74 27.61 And here is my 50: AGE GROUP: 55-59 1 JIM THORNTON 57 M SEWY 25.16 The 50 split felt controlled and decent; the 50 by itself felt like I was trying MUCH harder, but the times were virtually identical (given that the split time was measured from the feet and the regular 50 by the hand. I have an idea, but it was resoundly mocked in the past. The general feeling is that you should just go more ALL OUT.

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ande — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:50:20 GMT

wait he wrote an article against it he could get down to 23's with proper weight training I bet weight lifting can shed close to a second in the 50 if not already engaged with such activity.

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__steve__ — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:24:05 GMT

I bet weight lifting can shed close to a second in the 50 if not already engaged with such activity.

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Former Member — Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:23:34 GMT

In February I swam the 1000 for the first time in Minneapolis. Using the guidelines for the 500, I was real pleased with the outcome. I swam the 1000 in 11:20 which got me another Iowa Masters record by 3 seconds! The first 500 was at 5:32 which was probably a little too fast but felt good all of the way through. Swimming has been so good to me and I'm so thrilled with to have all of your help and support. I'm now trying to give a little of my swimming knowledge (and yours) to our local Triathlon club at monthy swim clinics. Thanks again. Good luck to all of you in the final meets this season! Great Job Scott! I did the 500 at Auburn last month and did a 5:24 (from a 5:44 the previous April) and will be swimming the 1000 this Saturday at a meet. I think I just entered at 11:30 and "hope" to be 11:15ish or so. Seems we are on the same path! Keep up the great work and report back!:applaud:

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Former Member — Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:19:11 GMT

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jim thornton — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:20:07 GMT

Scott et al, A friend of mine here in the Pittsburgh area, Glenn Battle, is both a super swimmer and a really nice guy. I asked him at one of our little Y meets how to swim the 500 when you aren't in the greatest shape and want to do okay without either humiliating or damaging yourself. Before I tell you his strategy, let me just say that this is probably not the way to swim the 500 if you want to get your best time for the season. The way to swim to get your best is to not wimp out: swim intelligently but without letting yourself off the pain hook too much. As my coach Bill said once, "It's supposed to hurt." With this preamble acknowledged, here is a strategy for swimming the 500 if you don't want it to hurt too much: 150 comfortable 50 faster 150 comfortable 50 faster 50 comfortable 50 sprint So basically, you break it down into 2 x 200 and 1 x 100; the 200s become 150 moderate/50 fast, and the 100 becomes 50 moderate/50 fast. Glenn added one more complication: the very first 50 should be just outside the comfort zone, otherwise you will establish too much comfort! Observations: I think the real genius of this strategy is that you spend so much time thinking and counting that it distracts you from pain It is easy to become confused, which is what happened to me on Sunday. I ended up "miscounting"--I did the initial "just out of the comfort zone comfortable 50" but then followed this by 150 comfortable yard. It should have been 100. If you are getting confused just reading this, imagine how much more confusing it would be with hypoxia setting in. In any event, here are my splits: Eventually, I hope to be able to man up and swim the whole thing with some pain; but for now, I was very happy with this relatively pain-free execution of Glenn's strategy! We have the advantage in our area of having small Y meets every 2-3 weeks, so it gives you the chance to play around with different ways of swimming events. The drawback is that very few of these meets are ever USMS sanctioned, not that this time would have much of a chance of Top 10 qualification. I also did a 53.35 earlier in the 100 free, which in previous years might have just squeaked in, though this is almost certainly too slow for the age group now. AGE GROUP: 55-59 1 JIM THORNTON 57 M SEWY 5:34.13 29.29 33.64 34.73 34.65 32.75 35.19 34.93 34.76 33.58 30.61 PS Ande, if you happen to see this posting, do you have any explanation for the following. Here is my 100: And here is my 50: AGE GROUP: 55-59 1 JIM THORNTON 57 M SEWY 53.35 25.74 27.61 And here is my 50: AGE GROUP: 55-59 1 JIM THORNTON 57 M SEWY 25.16 The 50 split felt controlled and decent; the 50 by itself felt like I was trying MUCH harder, but the times were virtually identical (given that the split time was measured from the feet and the regular 50 by the hand. What gives? Where does raw speed vanish in ones dotage?

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Former Member — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:04:50 GMT

Jim and Ande, you've been with me all along! Thanks for the help and support! Ande, I may be in Austin for work next month. Any chance we could meet at a practice? I still need a little more stength in the end. My turns are pretty weak as well. I know I need to start weight training, so advice on ths would be great. Below are my splits. Name Age Team Seed Finals =============================================================================== 1 Gerkin, Scott T 50 IAMA-40 5:30.14 5:26.91 29.31 1:01.36 (32.05) 1:33.89 (32.53) 2:06.79 (32.90) 2:39.78 (32.99) 3:12.70 (32.92) 3:45.87 (33.17) 4:19.69 (33.82) 4:53.76 (34.07) 5:26.91 (33.15) That is great Scott! You give me some inspiration!:applaud: The last 500 free is did was back in April (09) and I did a 5:44. I think my goal for Master's Nationals will be under 5:20. Hopefully visiting back on this thread between now and then will help me get there!

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Former Member — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:56:24 GMT

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ande — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:55:12 GMT

Congratulations! Way to go! You seriously dropped your time What were your splits? In early December, all of my dedication to swimming paid of by setting a pending Iowa Master record in the 500 free. (50-54) My time was 5:26.91. The previous record set in 1998 was 5:30.86. I want to thank all of you for your help! I also want to thank my swimming partner and coach, Roger Madden.

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jim thornton — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:45:20 GMT

In early December, all of my dedication to swimming paid of by setting a pending Iowa Master record in the 500 free. (50-54) My time was 5:26.91. The previous record set in 1998 was 5:30.86. I want to thank all of you for your help! I also want to thank my swimming partner and coach, Roger Madden. Congratulations, Scott! I think that with this new record, you deserve a name change. You are no longer a Gerkin. From this day henceforth, I will think of you as Scott Dill!

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Former Member — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:25:46 GMT

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ande — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:59:27 GMT

Go for it Scott, Good luck. ande Ande, Thanks you for your help! This has been one of my best experiences ever. The suit I wore was a Nike Hydra. I bought an FS Pro but it was too small and I couldn't get it on. For simpicity of suit size and availability I got the Hydra. It worked well for me. I saw a lot of Blueseventy suits at Nationals. Are they that much better? This summer I'm going to cross train and then hit the pool hard in the fall. Hopefully I will break some Iowa records next season. Do you want to help me do it?! Thanks again. Scott

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Former Member — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 05:21:02 GMT

Ande, Thanks you for your help! This has been one of my best experiences ever. The suit I wore was a Nike Hydra. I bought an FS Pro but it was too small and I couldn't get it on. For simpicity of suit size and availability I got the Hydra. It worked well for me. I saw a lot of Blueseventy suits at Nationals. Are they that much better? This summer I'm going to cross train and then hit the pool hard in the fall. Hopefully I will break some Iowa records next season. Do you want to help me do it?! Thanks again. Scott

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jim thornton — Fri, 22 May 2009 09:57:59 GMT

Scott, you may be a gerkin now. But with hard work and dedication, I have no doubt that you will be a kosher dill soon. The Iowa records in the 500 are going down!

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ande — Fri, 22 May 2009 04:45:39 GMT

Hey Scott, Congratulations, that's exciting! you made huge improvements. dropping from 5:50.40 to 5:30 on April 21st I wrote "I'm curious to find out how much you're going to improve your 500 time." and here's the answer 13 Gerkin, Scott 49 IAMA 5:30.14 30.13 1:03.18 (33.05) 1:36.68 (33.50) 2:10.54 (33.86) 1:07.36 2:44.32 (33.78) 3:17.49 (33.17) 1:06.95 3:50.81 (33.32) 4:24.22 (33.41) 1:06.73 4:57.38 (33.16) 5:30.14 (32.76) 1:05.92 2:45.82 I think your 4th & 5th 50's should have been slightly faster. Your 10th should have been much faster, really kick it into overdrive on that last 50, 6 beat kick & give it everything you've got. What suit did you wear? Looks to me like you followed MY Suggestions to the letter, more, even more, suit links You proved you can swim faster faster, Now swim faster faster next season. Way to go! Ande I swam at nationals and had great races! My 500 did not fall off at all thanks to the advice given. I came into the meet with a seed time of 5:50 and swam a 5:30 in the race. The first 50 was 30 seconds then all 33's and finished with a 32! Very consistant pace due to learning what this pace felt like when fresh and tired. For anyone having the same problem that I did with the last 150 falling off should follow what was written here. I'm living proof that the advice is good. As a note, I tapered for 2 weeks, got lots of rest and ate very little red meat. I stuck with turkey and chicken quite often. I raced at 9:00 am so the day of the race I had part of a Powerbar, water and half gatorade. My warm up was 700 easy yards with a couple 50's at race pace. I had 90 minutes rest after warm ups. It was a winning combination that nearly got me the Iowa masters record for the 500 in the 45-49 age group. I missed it by .16 seconds. I turn 50 in June, so new goals are being set. Thanks again and good luck to all of you 500 atheletes. I want to give a special thanks to Jack Groselle of Ohio. I met Jack and his wife at the Nationals dinner. He was very encouraging and actually watched my 500. (Jack owns several world records so his support meant a lot!) Scott Gerkin

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Former Member — Thu, 21 May 2009 15:58:58 GMT

I swam at nationals and had great races! My 500 did not fall off at all thanks to the advice given. I came into the meet with a seed time of 5:50 and swam a 5:30 in the race. The first 50 was 30 seconds then all 33's and finished with a 32! Very consistant pace due to learning what this pace felt like when fresh and tired. For anyone having the same problem that I did with the last 150 falling off should follow what was written here. I'm living proof that the advice is good. As a note, I tapered for 2 weeks, got lots of rest and ate very little red meat. I stuck with turkey and chicken quite often. I raced at 9:00 am so the day of the race I had part of a Powerbar, water and half gatorade. My warm up was 700 easy yards with a couple 50's at race pace. I had 90 minutes rest after warm ups. It was a winning combination that nearly got me the Iowa masters record for the 500 in the 45-49 age group. I missed it by .16 seconds. I turn 50 in June, so new goals are being set. Thanks again and good luck to all of you 500 atheletes. I want to give a special thanks to Jack Groselle of Ohio. I met Jack and his wife at the Nationals dinner. He was very encouraging and actually watched my 500. (Jack owns several world records so his support meant a lot!) Scott Gerkin Wow. Great swim. You must feel encouraged and also excited about how much faster you can go with more hard work.

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Former Member — Thu, 21 May 2009 15:49:56 GMT

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ande — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:21:17 GMT

consider getting a larger PRO, I could get into an X-Large but couldn't get the Large FS PRO past my butt. Tech Suits can make a HUGE diff. Glad to see you're swimming faster faster. I'm curious to find out how much you're going to improve your 500 time. I bought the fs pro and should have had someone film me trying to fit into it! What a sight. After 20 minutes, it wasn't going to happen. I have a 35" waist and this suit will not work for me. I exchanged it for a Nike Hydra which fits very well. I was concerned that the performance wouldn't be noticeable, but boy was I wrong! I couldn't believe how fast I was with no extra effort. I was 2-3 seconds faster per 100 in practice than normal! The suit was $153. I have been taking the advice of what many of you had said, Swim faster in practice and put more intensity into the practice. I upped the yardage about 500 yards a day as well. The last few weeks have shown some break through times. My last broken 500 was 6:00 including the 30 seconds of rest. This is 20 seconds faster than a month ago. The advice you have all given should be a guide for others. It works! With Nationals just around the corner I could use some taper advice.

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jim thornton — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:22:26 GMT

Scott, I read the title of this thread quickly, then read your post about having trouble getting into your fastskin pro. God help me but I concluded that your were talking about lb. not distance, as in the last 150 lb. of your former weight of 500 lb. finally fell off. I was going to recommend you go on the Biggest Loser when I realized my mistake, In any event, keep up the good work, and I hope that the last 150 of your 500 climbs back up!

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Former Member — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:58:00 GMT

I bought the fs pro and should have had someone film me trying to fit into it! What a sight. After 20 minutes, it wasn't going to happen. I have a 35" waist and this suit will not work for me. I exchanged it for a Nike Hydra which fits very well. I was concerned that the performance wouldn't be noticeable, but boy was I wrong! I couldn't believe how fast I was with no extra effort. I was 2-3 seconds faster per 100 in practice than normal! The suit was $153. I have been taking the advice of what many of you had said, Swim faster in practice and put more intensity into the practice. I upped the yardage about 500 yards a day as well. The last few weeks have shown some break through times. My last broken 500 was 6:00 including the 30 seconds of rest. This is 20 seconds faster than a month ago. The advice you have all given should be a guide for others. It works! With Nationals just around the corner I could use some taper advice.

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orca1946 — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:21:47 GMT

Where do I look for the pro hineck? Never mind , I just reread it .

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ande — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:31:48 GMT

Hi Paige, You're welcome, I hope it helps you swim faster faster. Let me know how you do. Ande Thanks Ande, this is really helpful to me. It makes sense...now I just have to follow it. I mean it. This is good advice for a 500. Paige

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ande — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 02:37:08 GMT

here's the link: The Speedo FS Pro Highneck Bodyskin is probably the fastest suit for the money, only $203. but as I wrote in my earlier post, I'm not sure what is going to be approved by FINA in their PHASE 1 testing. I really like the Blue Seventy Nero Comp, I hope it passes PHASE 1 but the current model won't pass PHASE 2 so it's done on Jan 1, 2010. RECENT RULINGS FINA Releases Information on FINA Bureau Meeting, Approves Speedsuit Restriction Proposal U.S. Masters Swimming’s official interpretation of Swimwear rule 102.14 Previous Articles Tip 201 Which Suit Suits you? More On Racing Suits Tip 214 Even More On Racing Suits More links: Mens Jammers Mens LegSkins Mens Full Body Womens Full body Womens Where do I look for the pro hineck? Never mind , I just reread it .