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Former Member — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:47:19 GMT

Ive tried everything mentioned above, including a piece of toast with peanut butter and down it with fruit juice, or an apple with a handful of "Costco fruit and nut medley" only to get stomach cramps... I don't use Gatorade or G2 anymore because it gave me heartburn, (really bad heartburn) even as a recovery drink (it also contain's the dreaded high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS)) I now use Cytomax Natural Citrus Flavor, one to 2 hours before workout. Why not just before the workout? I don't like to leave the pool during a set to use the restroom...(I abandoned Pre-Formance because of the high Cholesterol) During the workout I sip water only (not gulps). I will say that for whatever reason, I do not get leg cramps any more. I get it from Bodybuilding.com, but when I want to try something new, I walk into GNC, that way if it doesn't agree with me, I can take it back and get a refund or credit without losing the 2 way shipping cost. I have two scoops of Muscle-Milk or 1 scoop Muscle-Milk plus (low Cholesterol) mixed with 12oz of water as a recovery drink after workout upon reaching my car.

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Former Member — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:18:37 GMT

Still quite sore today, I kind of have to hop around. I'm now keenly interested in how to avoid a repeat in the future (drinking something before and during work out), because once you've had one of these I think what you consume afterward is not going to help much in reducing soreness. Endurox isn't magic. It decreases recovery time by providing fuel to load back into the muscle at the optimal time, right after workout. This helps for endurace training more than strength training. Any electrolyte solution should help with cramps (pedialyte, gatorade, banana juice, etc). No drink that I know of will help you with muscle damage, which is what is making you sore. There is probably something, but it is still a healing process, so I would imagine you would just decrease the length of time being sore. Eventually you body will adapt to this work load and you won't be sore unless you increase the work load. Of course, this cycle is what makes us stronger/faster and why some people are constantly trying to train to soreness. Just short of soreness is much more pleasant and might be a faster path to greatness. If you are a little sore each day, and can fully recover in 24 hours, you can workout to that level each day. If you are REALLY sore, it will take longer to recover, and you will not be able to workout at that level again until recovered.

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Former Member — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:29:12 GMT

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The Fortress — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:08:50 GMT

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:40:13 GMT

I haven't been drinking any of this stuff before or after workouts lately. Tonight while warming down, the last 25 I decide to practice a backstroke start. Well, right after the start I got a positively brutal cramp in the right calf. I mean, the muscle was cramped up hard as a rock for 30 seconds, shaking or stretching did nothing, all I could do was wait. You'll know what I'm talking about if you've ever experienced it. After workout I went straight to the nearest store and bought a gatorade and banana which I immediately consumed. Once I got home, still sore, I decide to try two scoops of endurox. I'll post an update tomorrow.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:35:34 GMT

After I swim or workout, I'm usually in the car for at least an hour driving kids to practice. Not conducive to food/milk so much, and I hate milk anyway. I have a stash of balance bars in the car. Because I have some trouble with recovery, I feel I need to try something. I'll switch to gatorade or endurox and see how that works. Fort, I haven't kept up with this whole thread, but the best testing & most easily digestible protein-oriented bar I've found is a 30g Protein bar from Premier Nutrition. I pick these up from Costco and usually carry them with me on business travel to avoid the Mongo Choco Chunk cookies I see at every airport. I'll often have one during non-travel days as a snack. My wife and I also have been using Heed recently as a drink, she for running and me for swimming. It seems to go down more smoothly than the others, as well. Very mild, but good taste.

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swimcat — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:49:13 GMT

I like Accelerade although I make it as 3 parts Lemon-Lime or Orange Accelerade/1 part Gu Tri-Berry gel. It cuts the sweetness (important since I don't have a sweet tooth) and seems to work as well as pure Accelerade. BTW, if you don't like the price of Accelerade, you can make your own with some effort for alot cheaper. Just get the patent number(s) off a can, go to the US government's patent office web site and look up the patent. The ingredients are listed and you can figure out the amounts. Then get the basic ingredients from a discount health website or similar and make your own. You can do this pretty much for any supplement with a patent number. -LBJ my accelerade is also mostly water. it says one scoop to 12 ounces, but mine is more like 1 scoop to 14 or 16 ounces. sometimes it i mix it too sugary i chase it with water. not often though. i do think it bloats you. that's why i quit drinking powerade. i used to drink only water but i always felt out of energy and weak .

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Former Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:45:53 GMT

I am not advocating that you eat chocolate cake after workout (but it has eggs. It has milk. It has wheat. Nutritious!). Hey, can I get you to delete this post before my hubby reads it? Otherwise he'll try to use that "nutritious" argument on me. I already feel like the "nutrition cop" around here... :coffee: :cake: :dinner:

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Former Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:53:50 GMT

Balance Bars aren't bad. In your situation, Fort, I would go with one of those plus a banana. Multiply by however hungry you are. I'm not as steadfast as qbrain about high GI post-workout. Since I generally eat low GI, that recommendation always seemed a bit suspect to me. My post swimming meal is loaded with sugar, that is true. Post lifting I usually just eat a normal meal since I lift at home and lift right before dinner. I am not advocating that you eat chocolate cake after workout (but it has eggs. It has milk. It has wheat. Nutritious!).

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Former Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:35:35 GMT

Fair enough. I often go home and have a full meal after I work out, or I buy something on campus. When you get older, you won't live on campus. :banana: Thank you, thank you, I will be here all night. But in general, I agree with you and Chris more than I disagree. Nutrition seems to be one of those areas where quality and time are inversely related.

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The Fortress — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:11:05 GMT

So I've tried Recoverite the last few days. Makes me nauseous, one day for about 3-4 hours. Anyone had this experience?

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The Fortress — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:01:38 GMT

Hey, can I get you to delete this post before my hubby reads it? Otherwise he'll try to use that "nutritious" argument on me. I already feel like the "nutrition cop" around here... :coffee: :cake: :dinner: Wait a minute, here ... Just remind him how happy he was about his recent BMI!

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Former Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:46:59 GMT

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Former Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:38:45 GMT

So drink skim milk? You think puresport is disgusting? How about skim milk that has been sitting on the pool deck for a few hours? Yum yum. Fair enough. I often go home and have a full meal after I work out, or I buy something on campus.

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Former Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:28:00 GMT

You know, these sports drinks are just sugar and water, sometimes with protein. Have some fruit or milk or something. Real food. Have to say, I'm with Jazz on this. The only time I use a sports drink -- usually diluted gatorade -- is on a ride or workout that's long enough (120 min or more) where I know water alone won't cut it. Jazz, when you get older... Just kidding. :) I agree with both of you to a point. I drink about a gallon of water a day, 3 or 4 scoops of Endurox R4 a week and about 24oz of full strength Gatorade a month. That is more than either of you, but I am not using it as a meal replacement. Sugar and water (a 6% glucose solution iirc) has been shown to increase the uptake of water, increasing the rate of rehydration. A carb+protein solution has been shown to increase muscle glycogen uptake when used within 30 minutes post workout. Fruit has fiber and milk has fat, both decrease absorption rates, which is usually good, but bad post workout when your body is primed for a high insulin, high sugar state. So drink skim milk? You think puresport is disgusting? How about skim milk that has been sitting on the pool deck for a few hours? Yum yum. Sports drinks are a useful tool and they make a big difference in how I feel, post-practice or post-meet.

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Former Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 08:41:15 GMT

Anyone tried Pure Sport? Or is that essentially the same as gatorade? It's disgusting. You know, these sports drinks are just sugar and water, sometimes with protein. Have some fruit or milk or something. Real food.

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Former Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 07:39:13 GMT

Anyone tried Pure Sport? Or is that essentially the same as gatorade? Yeah, I have had puresport. It tastes sweeter than Endurox R4 to me, but the carb/protein ratio is 2.6/1 instead of 4:1. Recoverite has Xylitol in it, which can upset your stomach.

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Former Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 06:35:33 GMT

So I've tried Recoverite the last few days. Makes me nauseous, one day for about 3-4 hours. Anyone had this experience? I have only experienced it when reading their research. Do you have any allergies or did you prepare it and then not drink it immediately? Is another mini-fort in development?

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The Fortress — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 05:34:20 GMT

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Chris Stevenson — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 03:53:05 GMT

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The Fortress — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:54:23 GMT

I have only experienced it when reading their research. Do you have any allergies or did you prepare it and then not drink it immediately? Is another mini-fort in development? No to food allergies. No to preparing it in advance. No x 1,000,000 to any more mini-forts. I don't remember this from accelerade or endurox. I'm still nauseous hours after practice. :bitching: Anyone tried Pure Sport? Or is that essentially the same as gatorade?

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:01:25 GMT

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:55:14 GMT

i don't believe that "sugar is sugar" was an answer that does said question justice. You are right. Jazz this is all your fault. :bitching: I did learn one thing yesterday while pretending to be a research librarian. Large amounts of fructose can cause diaherra, but an even glucose/fructose mix, like what is found in sucrose and HFCS used in food and beverages, was fine. So sugar is not sugar, fructose is sugar that gives you the ****s. I just ordered some Hammer Recoverite the other day before reading all this. I guess the only thing I can be assured of is that it has less calories ... Endurox has 4:1 carb to protein and uses sucrose as a sweetener, Recoverite has 3:1 carb to protein and uses stevia as a sweetener. You could make something similar with whey protein, sugar and sugar free kool aide, or drink fat free chocolate milk. All are more similar than different, so if you like it, who cares about the advertising.

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:18:13 GMT

This is hilarious. I just ordered some Hammer Recoverite the other day before reading all this. I guess the only thing I can be assured of is that it has less calories ... Not to rain on your parade, but you can always water things down to decrease calories. qbrain is absolutely right. Carbs and protein post-workout is effective. Supplement companies try to make this sound way more complicated than it really is. You can't just have any carbs, no! You must have our specially engineered maltodextrin that has been filtered through rare humpback baleen for ultimate purity! Personally, I have fruit after I work out. Food is a lot cheaper than supplements.

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:30:11 GMT

Look chaos, believe whatever you want. The first article is authored by a guy who got his PhD in Holistic Nutrition from a home study course, I **** you not. The second article is the article that I addressed all 21 references yesterday. I am not going to look at the others. I am not trying to claim that the Hammer products are bad, I am claiming that their claims are advertising. There is evidence stating that protein+carbs aide in the recovery process more than a sugar solution or plain water. That is what Hammer is, and that is what Endurox is. I am not trying to convince you my sugar+whey protein is better than your maltodextrin+whey protein, but I am trying to convince you that Hammer's claims that their products are better than some other companies equivalent products are complete bullshit. To summarize, I am not anti-product or anti-water, but I am anti-misleading advertising. didn't post it with the intent to convince you to change products. as previously stated, i have no vested interest here but this thread started with an inquiry and i don't believe that "sugar is sugar" was an answer that does said question justice. so...... there is information. do with it what you will.