Breaststroke pace chart

RE: Breaststroke pace chart

BillS — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:46:08 GMT

The top 3 in my age group from Austin last year show how it's done: 50 ***: 1 Weissman, Chris J 45 ANCM 27.50 27.14N 11 2 Mills, Glenn D 46 ARIZ 27.51 27.25N 9 100 ***: 1 Weissman, Chris J 45 ANCM 1:00.10 59.60 11 27.89 59.60 (31.71) 2 Mills, Glenn D 46 ARIZ 1:01.04 1:00.16 9 28.19 1:00.16 (31.97) 3 Guthrie, David M 47 SMU 1:00.25 1:00.24 8 27.76 1:00.24 (32.48) 200: 1 Mills, Glenn D 46 ARIZ 2:13.91 2:10.64N 11 29.14 1:02.50 (33.36) 1:36.39 (33.89) 2:10.64 (34.25) 2 Guthrie, David M 47 SMU 2:11.42 2:11.87 9 29.74 1:03.62 (33.88) 1:37.54 (33.92) 2:11.87 (34.33) 3 Weissman, Chris J 45 ANCM 2:13.50 2:14.30 8 30.09 1:03.87 (33.78) 1:38.53 (34.66) 2:14.30 (35.77) Amazing to me how close that opening 50 in the 200 is to all out for these guys (not to mention way faster than I can go in a 50), and the 100 is virtually an all-out sprint the whole way.

RE: Breaststroke pace chart

Allen Stark — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:51:36 GMT

How fast to go out in a 200 depends on many factors such as conditioning and how much you are a sprinter vs a distance person.I like to go out my 1st 50 about 3-4 sec slower than my fastest 50 in SCY and 4-5 sec slower in LCM.I want to split my 1st 100 4 sec faster than my 2nd.I think most Masters swimmers split more than that meaning they go out too fast.At the SPMA SCM meet I was seeded with swimmers about my speed(of course,seeded 4th fastest)and my split difference was 5 sec.I was told that at the 50 I was 8th of 8,at the 100 I was 6th,at the 150 4th and finished 2nd(and was told I'd have gotten 1st in a 202M race.)This means to me that everyone went out too fast.

RE: Breaststroke pace chart

Former Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 11:35:08 GMT

Thanks Bill... I'll give it a shot one of these days... The 200 is a frightening prospect to take on at FLAT OUT -1% lol

RE: Breaststroke pace chart

Former Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:42:57 GMT

The 1st/2nd split differential for a 100 will/should be greater for a hand-activated breaststroke/fly touch turn than for a foot-activated flip turn. Basically, your leading hands in BR can get to the wall quicker than your trailing feet can in a flip turn. So you have a faster first 50 and a slower 2nd 50 in BR/FL when compared to FR/BA for the same 100 time. Why would the answer to this question be special for breaststroke?

RE: Breaststroke pace chart

Rykno — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:59:21 GMT

it makes sense to me too. my current fastest 100m time is 1:14:08, but I was so full of energy at the end, that I new I should have gone out faster. my splits were 35:05 / 39.03 = 1:14,08 my fastest 50m is 33.37 at the time. my goals for the end of March is to go under 33.0 in the 50 and under 1:13.00 in the 100 34 + 38.5

RE: Breaststroke pace chart

BillS — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:23:11 GMT

Good thread So Allen to get my 34.8 50 to a ultimate 100 time I'd have to go say :35.5 to :36 and then :40 for a 1:16. I'm not too far off at 1:19 Maybe I have to gut out the first 50 a bit more... Stud, I've found this to be true. I started studying splits of the fast guys' 100s, and invariably they take them out within a second or so of their best 50. I started trying going out harder, and dropped my 100 time significantly. At an SCM meet where I went a 35.5 50, I split my 100 37.11/41.15. So I needed to go out even a little stronger. And yes, it hurts. If you want a real eye-opener, take a look at how the Top 5 split a 200. The first 50 is way too close for comfort to all out, and they somehow hang on from there. I haven't screwed up the necessary courage to try that yet.

RE: Breaststroke pace chart

ourswimmer — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:21:58 GMT

Why would the answer to this question be special for breaststroke?

RE: Breaststroke pace chart

Former Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:37:59 GMT

Good thread So Allen to get my 34.8 50 to a ultimate 100 time I'd have to go say :35.5 to :36 and then :40 for a 1:16. I'm not too far off at 1:19 Maybe I have to gut out the first 50 a bit more...

RE: Breaststroke pace chart

Former Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:52:35 GMT

Allen, I agree 100%...My best 50 and 100 breaststroke times bear this out. - My first 50 of my best 100 is .99 seconds slower than my best 50 time. - My second 50 of my best 100 was 4.12 seconds slower than my first 50. - My best practice 50 sprint set average (SP1) was within .21 seconds of my second 50 split of my best 100 Kinda neat...:) Mark I have never seen one.I think a general rule is your first 50 for a 100 should be within 1 sec of your best 50,and the second 50 should be about 4 sec slower.This can tell you about what your 25 and 50 workout time should be to be race pace.Lets say your goal time is 1:10.That means your splits should be about 33-37.This also means your best time for a 50 needs to be about a 32.In workout to do race pace you should be keeping your 50s at 37 and your 25s under 18.5(18.0 would be better as you have no turn,)

RE: Breaststroke pace chart

jordangregory — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:08:46 GMT

In high school my times played out a bit different. My best sprint was a 30. The first 50 of my 100 was a 30.3, and my second 50 was a 33.4. Very close to what you all had.

RE: Breaststroke pace chart

Allen Stark — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 05:39:16 GMT

I have never seen one.I think a general rule is your first 50 for a 100 should be within 1 sec of your best 50,and the second 50 should be about 4 sec slower.This can tell you about what your 25 and 50 workout time should be to be race pace.Lets say your goal time is 1:10.That means your splits should be about 33-37.This also means your best time for a 50 needs to be about a 32.In workout to do race pace you should be keeping your 50s at 37 and your 25s under 18.5(18.0 would be better as you have no turn,)