USMS and Blue Seventy!!!

RE: USMS and Blue Seventy!!!

Former Member — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:26:34 GMT

You told us all a while back that despite not being a swimmer you had tried on a friend's tech suit. From the post above it appears that was not the truth. So, have you weared one or not, yes or no?? Please reference post #43 in this thread where you said you had weared one: forums.usms.org/showthread.php Hey Aquageek I don’t have to be a competitive swimmer to know this common fact about hydrodynamics of swimming: If you want to gain more speed, the factor that should receive highest priority is to get more propulsion and reducing surface drag is way at the bottom of the list of priorities. If people want to swim faster, the simplest solution is to just put on a (relatively inexpensive and long lasting) set of paddles and flippers -not some expensive “tech suit”. I know people who are spending huge amounts of money on being a part of the tech suit fad don’t like hearing this, but you’re getting played for a sucker by the suit makers who are raking in big $$$. :badday: However being that I’m a “Dirty Filthy Capitalist Pig”, it’s perfectly OK with me if you have no reservation about spending a lot of money on those suits and I’m seriously thinking about buying stock in the parent companies that own the suit makers. :banana: So I am quite pleased that your craze will be putting money in my pocket and you will be helping me buy a vacation condo!!! :anim_coffee: Happy holidays!!! Dolphin 2

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Former Member — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:25:36 GMT

Or, the masters could work a bit harder and eat healthier so they can fit into offered sizes... After all, we do control what we shovel into our mouths. Just a suggestion, and its one we do have control over. Sorry, Doug, but there is AMPLE evidence that very fit 'overweight' people are just as 'healthy' as those who reduce their weight by eating 'healthier' food. One such link describing the new research is the New York Times www.nytimes.com/.../19well.html. You can find others using Google. As one, who used to be considerably heavier (i.e. 40 pounds ten years ago) I can tell you that NOT ONE of my vital signs changed for the better after the weight loss. Nor did my performance get any better in any of my competitive sports. You can preach to yourself, but you should be careful about evangelizing to others. After all, such attitudes have had remarkable NEGATIVE effect on elite female athletes who have been told they are 'too fat.'

RE: USMS and Blue Seventy!!!

Doug Adamavich — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:59:26 GMT

BTW, great for added floatation effect in this particular suit. Helps with buoyancy. Might be illegal but how will they test? Wouldn't want to be a "tester"...:afraid: Even worse, the person that unzips you or is close when the gas pocket bursts:eeew:

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Jim Clemmons — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:55:36 GMT

PPPPPPPPTTTTTTTT (Flatuation Sound Effect). :bolt: BTW, great for added floatation effect in this particular suit. Helps with buoyancy. Might be illegal but how will they test? Wouldn't want to be a "tester"...:afraid:

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aquageek — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:43:33 GMT

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Chris Stevenson — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:33:46 GMT

it’s perfectly OK with me if you have no reservation about spending a lot of money on those suits Glad to hear it. So now you can drop whatever it is you're trying to do?

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Doug Adamavich — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:30:01 GMT

If they are going to sponsor USMS, are they going to expand their sizing to include, uh, "Masters" size suits ? Or, the masters could work a bit harder and eat healthier so they can fit into offered sizes... After all, we do control what we shovel into our mouths. Just a suggestion, and its one we do have control over.

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Former Member — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:45:12 GMT

I bought one last week for $129. Powerful the dark side is.

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Former Member — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:26:45 GMT

There seems to be no limit to the depths of your ignorance and now we can add liar to the list. TYR is a private company. Good luck finding Speedo's stock ticker. You've been told a few dozen times already that these suits are loss leaders. If you ever bother to visit a team or know anything about suits you'd understand this. Damn, dealing with you and your utter lack of knowledge on anything aquatic is becoming tiresome. You need to stop, seriously. Hey Aquageek: If the companies don't actually have public stock offerings, there's always the venture capitalist approach where I can invest in them directly. People are always bellyaching about the price of gas and the profits that oil companies are making. However if Speedo is selling LZRs for $450 each, they've got to be making big $$$. Anyway what ever my strategy for investing in suits actually is, I really thank you and I appreciate getting your business in the future!!! :banana: Dolphin 2

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swimmj — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:57:08 GMT

If a LZR isn't going to last 6 months to a year, I won't buy it. I don't have the dough to spend 400 or so bucks on a suit that will only last less than 6 months. I will probably look into the B-70 one of these days. Hopefully, B-70s will get into making non-full body suits. B-70 has a knee length suit. It's the one I bought since I couldn't get the full body in my size and wasn't sure about breaststroke in the full body. The knee length is also has the advantage of being cheaper (retail $320) and easier to get into. --mj

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cyclist — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:50:58 GMT

So most of the big swimming orgs (USA, Euro, Australia) have come out in favor of banning the suits in their current configuration. Of course FINA still has to weigh in on these suggestions which I believe it will do so in Jan. Will USMS continue to support a product that is not legal in other high level competitions? IS B-70 just trying to get as many of these suits sold before the other organizations ban them? I hope these the B-70, LZR, etc... are banned in USMA if FINA ban them.

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tjrpatt — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:22:28 GMT

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ande — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:09:51 GMT

dolph the hineck Speedo LZRs retail for $550, not sure what they wholesale for my guess is that speedo LZR sales haven't been as brisk as speedo hoped they might be sure LZRs were the suit that most people wore to break records in 2008 but most of them were signed speedo athletes. Unforeseen events happened in 2008. + Speedo was slow to bring the LZR to market + LZRs are pricey + LZRs are fragile, might not get in many races before the suit is ruined. + LZRs have had issues with zippers breaking / splitting down the middle. This often spells disaster, the back of the suit fills up with water slowing down the swimmer. Plus if I bought a suit and had a zipper break I'd return it for a refund. + Rules are coming on to block expensive tech suits from age group swimming + competitors beat them to market offering excellent more affordable alternatives. Most masters will spend $300 or $400 on a tech suit once. + consumers tend to buy right before big meets I haven't seen many masters wearing LZRs. Speedo had a big booth at olympic trials where swimmers could check out suits. Not sure how many bought on the spot. My guess is most used them in their race then turned them back in saying thanks dude. LZRs weren't for sale during trials or the olympics. IMHO Speedo needs to roll out a new gen tech suit solution that is more competitive reliable and affordable. I do believe the FS PRO is an excellent suit. probably the most affordable tech suit solution. I hope speedo won't use their clout to get competitor suits thrown out. Hey Aquageek: Speedo is selling LZRs for $450 each, they've got to be making big $$$. Dolphin 2

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aquageek — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:41:47 GMT

Venture capital is for new and emerging companies, dang it ding-dong. I think if you'd spend a minute on-line looking at prices of suits, you'd find many under $250 and quite a few under $200 as well. Obviously, it's easier to spew about what you don't know about and lie as well than do actual research. I bought one last week for $129.

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Former Member — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:44:54 GMT

Hi Doug I followed all the links to the PDF pages telling how to put it on. It says you should use a plastic bag to aid in getting your legs into it. What a hassle: Getting into -and swimming in- what amounts to a elastomeric body condom. PPPPPPPPTTTTTTTT (Flatuation Sound Effect). :bolt: Dolphin 2 Answer this: If you don't compete in meets or plan too. If you haven't swam competitively before. If you only swim for fitness once and a blue moon, why do you even care if tech suits are legal or not? Why spend your time making silly statements about the suits, if you don't plan on having the need for them?

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Former Member — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:09:22 GMT

Do they stretch as much as a plain old Speedo lycra suit ? I haven't tried them, but I would generally think that they don't stretch like that...

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Former Member — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:52:45 GMT

If they are going to sponsor USMS, are they going to expand their sizing to include, uh, "Masters" size suits ? Do they stretch as much as a plain old Speedo lycra suit ?

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ande — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:05:55 GMT

that's a reasonable request it would be good if they went a size or 2 larger for men and women If they are going to sponsor USMS, are they going to expand their sizing to include, uh, "Masters" size suits ? Do they stretch as much as a plain old Speedo lycra suit ?

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Former Member — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:24:14 GMT

While some swimming organizations are running away from tech suits, we masters are embracing them with open arms: www.usms.org/.../newsitem.php This is great news for USMS! Great job Rob Butcher and Roque Santos! Gotta love it when two breaststrokers work together... Hi Doug I followed all the links to the PDF pages telling how to put it on. It says you should use a plastic bag to aid in getting your legs into it. What a hassle: Getting into -and swimming in- what amounts to a elastomeric body condom. PPPPPPPPTTTTTTTT (Flatuation Sound Effect). :bolt: Dolphin 2

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ande — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:19:47 GMT

Yes it's official Blue Seventy is now listed as a USMS sponsor www.usms.org/.../sponsors.php kudos to USMS and B70, this sponsorship is one of the best member benefits USMS has ever rolled out. USMS and B70 are working out the details of what the benefits will be word is USMS members will receive a to be determined discount when they get a B70 suit from B70 at USMS events. Swimmers are swimming very fast times in Blue Seventy Nero Comp Suits. Blue Seventys + are easier to put on than LZRs + are more affordable and + seem to last longer than other latest generation tech suits. Warning: blue seventy's website is very clunky this link will take you to the nero comp page of the US store: Long Leg Nero Comp Nero Comp Knee It says we can get a discount, how big?

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Former Member — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:17:41 GMT

Very nice! Thanks for posting that!

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knelson — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:57:56 GMT

If they are going to sponsor USMS, are they going to expand their sizing to include, uh, "Masters" size suits ? Do they stretch as much as a plain old Speedo lycra suit ? If you look at the other thread about the sizing of these suits, it seems like most people size down quite a bit from what they would wear in a lycra suit. Well, men anyway. Can't say I've been following the discussion about women's sizing! :)

RE: USMS and Blue Seventy!!!

aquageek — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:51:33 GMT

What a hassle: Getting into -and swimming in- what amounts to a elastomeric body condom. You told us all a while back that despite not being a swimmer you had tried on a friend's tech suit. From the post above it appears that was not the truth. So, have you weared one or not, yes or no?? Please reference post #43 in this thread where you said you had weared one: forums.usms.org/showthread.php FYI - everyone knows these things are a pain to put on, everyone that is a swimmer, that is. Rob - well done on this!

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Allen Stark — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:32:10 GMT

It says we can get a discount,how big?

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Doug Adamavich — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:40:00 GMT

I followed all the links to the PDF pages telling how to put it on. It says you should use a plastic bag to aid in getting your legs into it. What a hassle: Getting into -and swimming in- what amounts to a elastomeric body condom. Bags work but some triathletes tell me that TriGlide (sp?) also works well. Yes, getting the darn thing on and off is a hassle but if it helps me go faster in the 400 IM and 200 *** I will use it. However, I only wear these suits at big meets. Some folks wear them all the time but I reserve mine only for special events. These suits help, but so does better diet, intense dryland training, massage, anti-inflammatory medication, improved technique, and mental discipline. Glad to see we will get a discount on the suit aspect of the arms race :banana: