Rowdy Gaines

RE: Rowdy Gaines

Former Member — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:38:31 GMT

ehoch, The fact of the matter is Rowdy's start was not a singular cause of his victory in 1984. If you ever swam with him (either a race or workout) you would realize one of his biggest assets was his ability to get in and out of his walls faster than his competition. Look at the tape of the race if you have access to it. The turn is very decisive. The Aussie would lose the race singularly on the turn regardless of the start. It was a classic 1980's American victory combining talent with superior starts and turns in the sprints as compared to other countries..... a result no doubt from years of short course training and speed work that many countries did not emphasize as much as the US. Net...... The start looked fast....... his turn sealed the deal. "I have actually seen an interview with Rowdy where he knew about the habit of the starter to start very quickly and Rowdy stated that he just went down and jumped - in the end it was smart, because he won. The video is somewhere on US swimming - the worst start I have ever seen at the Olympics."

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Former Member — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:12:33 GMT

Just the opposite. He hasn't been getting his RDCA (recommended daily chlorine allowance). I threw in the drinking game joke :drink: but (despite the flubs) Gaines does a good job of communicating how exciting swim races can be. I have to think that a more polished but less enthusiastic announcer (like Chris Collinsworth?) would not be a good trade. I totally agree. Do not want to express my opinion about Mr. Collinsworth. Did anyone else think that him sitting next to Momma Phelps was uncool. I just felt it was being to close.:blah:

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Former Member — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:32:26 GMT

Rowdy definately makes some **** up, but then again you have to realize that most people don't know squat about swimming so it has to be "dumbed down". Yes, he can get annoying at times, but overall he does a pretty good job....WAY better than Jon Naber.

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Former Member — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:55:39 GMT

Hahahaha... "you see John, in the 400IM, whoever gets their hand on the wall first is going to win the race" I love when commentators go all "Mr. Obvious" on you... That's called having TGO (terrific grasp of the obvious). ;)

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aquageek — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:52:09 GMT

I actually watched the tape with Rowdy himself talking us through it. John is right on with what he states. Why are we worried about 1984 anyway?

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aquageek — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:31:19 GMT

I totally agree. Do not want to express my opinion about Mr. Collinsworth. Did anyone else think that him sitting next to Momma Phelps was uncool. I just felt it was being to close.:blah: She could have said no. Too much microanalyzing, let it go.

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mattson — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:04:07 GMT

I totally agree. Do not want to express my opinion about Mr. Collinsworth. A few days ago, they had him pick his 5 biggest moments from the first week. He picked Phelps 100 fly at #3 and Lezak's relay leg as #1. So while I wouldn't want him doing color commentary during swimming, I am enjoying the fact that this football player was obviously (and probably honestly) getting into these races.

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Former Member — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:43:59 GMT

hahaha oh man, you guys are gonna love this video www.youtube.com/watch Hahahaha... "you see John, in the 400IM, whoever gets their hand on the wall first is going to win the race" I love when commentators go all "Mr. Obvious" on you...

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Former Member — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:35:56 GMT

Summer would be great, again she knows the sport and has on air experience. Not to mention she is easy on the old pupils.;)

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osterber — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:36:43 GMT

I'm sure if we found a gymnastics forum, they would be throwing similar criticism towards Tim Daggett. Frankly, it's comforting to be aware that they're doing this commentary _live_. Most swimming coverage we see on TV these days with Rowdy, most of the commentary is done _after_ the race is over. They do voice-over commentary the next day. So he's already seen the race on tape, and he's holding a printout of the splits. He knows who wins, and who has a great split, etc. Doing commentary live to broadcast is hard stuff. -Rick

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Paul Smith — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:36:32 GMT

Although I can't understand a word of it...have you ever happened to catch aa soccer match from Mexico and here the announcer(s)?! I have to say that if they aren't messing up a few things here or there given the speed/emotion they have during some of the plays I'd be shocked. ARG does a great job in my opinion because he does know a LOT about the sport (JS is correct, he knows more of the behind the scenes gig then can be imagined...or discussed openly), his excitement I think feeds the TV viewers most of which like many hear know nothing about swimming...plus he's credible. Andrea has to go...and keep the diving chick at the diving well. Summer would be great, again she knows the sport and has on air experience.

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Frank Thompson — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:35:09 GMT

Rowdy really has to go - he is the expert analyst and he is just getting to many things wrong. Example: Dara Torres race - "She lost it on the start - she lost the race on the start" and they show the start with Torres coming up way ahead of Britta Steffen .... I also really did not like how excited he got when there was the potential of Libby Trickett missing the final in the 100 "that would be great" - that is very unsportsmanlike -- kind of like his fault start in 1984 ... Ehoch: I taped that first heat of that semi final and did not remember Rowdy saying that about Libby Tricket missing the final "that would be great." What he did say was that she was currently 9th and Dan Hicks said Tricket is OUT. Then there was a delay in posting the results and they showed the Chinese swimmer that I believe won the heat moving on the block at the start and she was DQ'ed. It was then that the team of Hicks and Gaines said she got a gift from this and would be in lane 8 of the finals. There was no saying by Rowdy Gaines saying "that would be great" and if you happen to go to then USAS Convention in Atlanta, I will show you the actual footage of this. Unfortunately, they do not have that semi final heat on the NBC website. So I do not believe either Dan Hicks or Rowdy Gaines comments were unsportmanlike because it is true, Libby would not be swimming in the finals unless there was a DQ. You are correct about the Dara Torres statement and he did say something about the start. Actually it looked like Dara was ahead until under the flags and both swimmers went to the wall with Dara coming up .01 short. About Rowdy's so called false start, he took advantage of an opportunity that other swimmers did not do. FINA choose Francisco Sylvestri of Panama to be the starter for the Men's events at the 1984 Olympics. He had been the starter at both the 1982 World Championships in Cali and at the Caracas 1983 Pan American Games. In both meets there were complaints about him starting. It seemed he had a bad habit of telling the swimmers "Take your marks" and then firing the gun very quickly perhaps before the swimmers had had time to get into their set position. Often it appeared that swimmers were jumping on there starts, and Sylvestri would fire the gun and walk away and sometimes he would call swimmers back and sometimes he would not. Most of time he did not and Rowdy knew who this guy was from previous meets and so did his coach Richard Quick knew of Sylvestri and his starting tendencies. There were a lot of complaints about him but FINA still had him be the starter. Before the final both Gaines and Quick talked about it and decided to incorporate a strategy. Back in those days there was two false-start rule and if he was called back it would be charged to the field and he would not be able to incorporate the strategy they devised. Rowdy was also known at this time as having one of the fastest starts in the world and was known to have remarkable reflexes. When Rowdy went to the blocks he successfully anticipated the shot of the gun and it seemed to everyone that he started before the gun went off. Mark Stockwell, who was one lane over, had not yet assumed the starting position and was not yet completely down and Mike Heath, who even under the best conditions had a slower start than Gaines. He took advantage of this and immediately had a lead over the field and won the race. His time was :49.80, Stockwell was :50.24 and Heath was :50.41 getting 4th. Both swimmers filed a protest about the start. What was strange was that Mike Heath was from the USA and he had to file a formal protest against his teamate. He was dead last of the blocks. Australia filed a formal protest on behalf of Stockwell to get Gaines disqualified for a false start. Don Grambril filed a protest against the starter but not the race itself. The FINA Technical Committee discussed the protests and rendered a decision in favor of Gaines. I remember seeing this on TV and it was very siimilar to what Milorad Cavic did with the Phelps race in the 100 meter Fly a couple of days ago and they rendered a decison in favor of Phelps. The bottom line in this is that Rowdy Gaines took advantage of an opportunity that every other swimmer could have done, but didn't and because of this strategy, it helped him win the the gold medal in the 100 Free at the 1984 Olympics.

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mattson — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:32:03 GMT

Since when is it wrong to point out the very obvious and numerous mistakes the lead analyst for swimming in the United States is making ? Maybe you guys simply don't know when is making a mistake... Do you mean "when he is making a mistake?" I felt the necessity to point out your mistake. :thhbbb:

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aquageek — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:44:50 GMT

but then again, I did go to USC :applaud: An irrelevant school in the collegiate sporting world but you continue to drink heavily and convince yourself otherwise. Glad you consider yourself smarter than Rowdy. You are super smart, much smarter than the rest of us, for sure.

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Former Member — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:11:41 GMT

I'll have to disagree with you concerning 1984. Rowdy's 100 free start was not false (close albeit). The Aussie next to him had a slow start and Rowdy nailed his start. The difference made it look exagerated. I have actually seen an interview with Rowdy where he knew about the habit of the starter to start very quickly and Rowdy stated that he just went down and jumped - in the end it was smart, because he won. The video is somewhere on US swimming - the worst start I have ever seen at the Olympics. About Rowdy being excited in Trickett's case, he actually said that it would be great if she missed the final. And about dumbing it down - I just disagree - you can dumb it down and still get the facts and calls right. Since when is it wrong to point out the very obvious and numerous mistakes the lead analyst for swimming in the United States is making ? Maybe you guys simply don't know when is making a mistake - which of course is really arrogant for me to say ... but then again, I did go to USC :applaud:

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Former Member — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:44:30 GMT

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Former Member — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:26:42 GMT

What if John Madden was the swimming commentator?... JM:"You see, the person who makes it through the water, and touches the wall before everyone else is declared the gold medalist." Ha, ha! Now imagine him doing commentary for gymnastics, or diving... or beach volleyball...

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Former Member — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:56:34 GMT

The French might have made an overstatement but that doesn't forgive your prejudice. There are people on this board who are of French descent. I thought it was way over for Alain Bernard to say what he said. His bravado doesn't excuse your use of a derogatory word. Craig, the following thoughts come to mind after you your post. :rofl: :soapbox: :doh: Get over it.

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Former Member — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:52:31 GMT

ehoch, I'll have to disagree with you concerning 1984. Rowdy's 100 free start was not false (close albeit). The Aussie next to him had a slow start and Rowdy nailed his start. The difference made it look exagerated. What people are not taking into account though is that Rowdy knows a tremendous amount more than the average "John Smith" nonswimmer on the street. He is forced to "dumb it down" for the American public along the way. This is a lot harder to do on the "fly" than you would think. His enthusiasm is refreshing. He recognizes history in the making. As for mistakes...... be lucky we don't have some ex football jock announcing that calls it a swim "match" or refers to the strokes as "the" back stroke" or "the australian crawl".

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Former Member — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:26:56 GMT

I was fine with Rowdy's work. I just wish NBC could find someone else to do the post race interviews--preferably someone who knows swimming and could ask intelligent questions. I reached a point where I kept the "mute" on when Kramer's lips were moving.

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Former Member — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:07:42 GMT

OK which anouncer are we going to tease now? Take CBC's Steve Armitage (and Byron McDonald) ............... and PLEASE keep them.

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Former Member — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:04:09 GMT

Right on! Sitting in your living room waving your cocktail drink American flag is a whole lot different than announcing live sports. I think Rowdy did a great job. I agree. I like Rowdy exactly BECAUSE he makes mistakes and calls things wrong and gets excited. He's a normal swim fan, like me! You can't help but get into the race even more with him commentating. Both announcers did a good job. I'm just glad it's over because I cannot stay up until 11:30 p.m. every night and still get up at 4:45 a.m. for swim practice!!!

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Former Member — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:00:56 GMT

Thank You...Thank You! I would like to thank the frenchies for opening their mouth, very similar to Gary eight years ago, so that we may be provided with some humor at their experience. You would think that people would learn...open your mouth and then proceed to get your teeth kicked in. The French might have made an overstatement but that doesn't forgive your prejudice. There are people on this board who are of French descent. I thought it was way over for Alain Bernard to say what he said. His bravado doesn't excuse your use of a derogatory word.

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Former Member — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:59:20 GMT

Rowdy was a special guest on Australian Channel seven's coverage of the Olympics morning show called "Yum-cha". I thought he came across as a very nice, pleasant, humorous fella.

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Former Member — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:49:23 GMT

OK which anouncer are we going to tease now?