Any estimates on how big Portland Nationals will be??

RE: Any estimates on how big Portland Nationals will be??

Iwannafly — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:18:48 GMT

Yes, the meet's been pretty deep this year, on the boy's side anyway. The top guys aren't completely rested, though at nationals I'll have to tell Jeff Utsch that his 24-year-old meet record in the 400 free was broken tonight. Wow, 4:02 is pretty quick. It's amazing that the record stood for 24 years. I am also trying out the B70 for the first time. I was actually much less pleased with how it felt on fly than on the long-axis strokes. I was happy with the 200 free and 100 back. 200 back is tomorrow but I am exhausted. This trials/finals stuff is for the young, for me it is like I've had 4 meets in two days, with two more to go. I'm basically looking at it like training; 3 days at nationals is nothing by comparison. Did the B70 give you that extra 2%?;) Good luck today in your 200 back. I also saw that you swam the fly leg in the 400 MR, which finished in 2nd place. Enjoy the rest of your meet. T.J.

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Chris Stevenson — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:57:06 GMT

Hey Chris, Were you rested for the 59.3 you went on Friday? Nice swimming by the way. There are some fast times going up at the Virginia Swimming LC Senior Championships. One of the kids from Lynchburg took second in the 100 *** and some of the local kids have had significant drops in time! Good luck in your events tomorrow. Thanks, TJ. No, not rested -- heck, I did 2 OW races 5 days before the meet, not exactly my usual taper plan -- but I did stay off the bike this week to save my legs a little and I have switched weights to maintenance mode. Yes, the meet's been pretty deep this year, on the boy's side anyway. The top guys aren't completely rested, though at nationals I'll have to tell Jeff Utsch that his 24-year-old meet record in the 400 free was broken tonight. I am also trying out the B70 for the first time. I was actually much less pleased with how it felt on fly than on the long-axis strokes. I was happy with the 200 free and 100 back. 200 back is tomorrow but I am exhausted. This trials/finals stuff is for the young, for me it is like I've had 4 meets in two days, with two more to go. I'm basically looking at it like training; 3 days at nationals is nothing by comparison.

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Iwannafly — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:16:47 GMT

Riiiight, old man, I'll be giving you one second after you just went 59.0 unrested. Are you really that hard up for free beer? I'll give you 0.1 sec for each year you give up...if you give me 0.1 sec for each inch I give up. Jonathan, the videos were recorded and posted by Dave Holland, whom I train with here in Richmond. Hey Chris, Were you rested for the 59.3 you went on Friday? Nice swimming by the way. There are some fast times going up at the Virginia Swimming LC Senior Championships. One of the kids from Lynchburg took second in the 100 *** and some of the local kids have had significant drops in time! Good luck in your events tomorrow.

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Muppet — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:03:27 GMT

A 400 is not a good "warm-up" nor a good "ice breaker". At smaller meets I prefer to start with an unimportant event to get the butterflies out of the way. I agree with you on the first sentence. As for meet order, I think that is a bad idea. I'd rather not start a meet off on the wrong foot then have the rest of the meet hit the crapper. What happens when your favorite event is the very first event at nationals (I know your example was smaller meet)? It is always nice to have a throwaway to get the blood flowing, but there will come a time where you need to get rid of those butterflies the second you walk in the building, and then go swim your ass off right from the start. Why not prepare for it?

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Former Member — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:42:23 GMT

www.usms.org/.../ Psych sheets are up!!!!

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Former Member — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:44:50 GMT

George is still working on being able to finish 25 meters of fly.

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Former Member — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:00:07 GMT

It looks like George and Graham will race in the 50 fly and 100 free. I'll be sure to watch.

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knelson — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:40:31 GMT

I see that young whippersnapper Rick Colella is driving down I-5 to make my life miserable(but gee it's fun to race fast swimmers,especially Olympians.) Also a nice guy. I met him in Austin and even swam on a relay with him. It looks like this time Tim Shead won't be there to race him, so we'll be counting on you, Allen, to make things interesting for him!

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Allen Stark — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:31:14 GMT

I swam with Graham when I lived in Houston.He is an incredibly nice guy.Talk about endurance,he doesn't slow down.:banana:.I see that young whippersnapper Rick Colella is driving down I-5 to make my life miserable(but gee it's fun to race fast swimmers,especially Olympians.)

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pwolf66 — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:14:30 GMT

BP :thhbbb: :thhbbb: :thhbbb: :thhbbb: If the first 100 is faster than 1:20, then I am an idiot.

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Muppet — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:04:15 GMT

paul needs to swim that 400 free this weekend. his inner competitive self will get the better of him, as he will howl through the water as fast as he can so that he can say his 400 is not over 1 minute slower than mine. besides, it will be good endurance work for his 100, so that next year, puny distance-loving muppets won't make big hulky sprinter look like he's standing still.

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Big AL — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:01:23 GMT

I would suggest scratching the 400 and focus on the 50's. A 400 is not a good "warm-up" nor a good "ice breaker". At smaller meets I prefer to start with an unimportant event to get the butterflies out of the way. In this case, I would get a good pre-meet warm-up in as usual, but since you are already entered, maybe swim the first 100 of the 400 at 80-90% to test the walls/flags.... test the routine.... then just get out... no big deal... I love the options as a Masters swimmer. Then, cool down, rest, and focus on the 50 speed for later.

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Former Member — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:13:58 GMT

Stay modest, that's the way to get it done, for sure. It was swimstud who recorded your SCM WR's, isn't that right? The 100 fly WR LCM is held by Paul Carter... Smith only has the 50, which is pretty fast... Highly doubtful. I was born in 1964 so I'll be 45 by FINA rules next year. I don't own a video camera, sorry! The postings from that one meet were from a friend who took them, unasked (I would never ask him or anyone else to film my funky strokes). But -- speaking of videos -- you know how they have the blue line showing WR pace when they show swimming on TV? I would love it if, when I swim the 100 fly, they could arrange to have that line on the bottom of the pool, showing Paul Smith's 100 fly progress.

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Former Member — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:51:33 GMT

Chris , I have 4 video cameras, I will be sure and catch your swim. Go fast.

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Former Member — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:16:44 GMT

Are there any updates on world records by age other then these ones Long Course www.fina.org/.../rec_LC_nov07_detail.pdf Short Course www.fina.org/.../rec_SC_nov07_detail.pdf

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Former Member — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:02:46 GMT

Hey Chris, Are we going to see 3 LC world records? (Make sure the video is posted) I think you'll get it done, you're a professor with a steady hand... When do you turn 45 by the way? We can have a side beer bet (and, much more importantly, bragging rights) on straight-up time...

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Paul Smith — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:38:13 GMT

Did I miss a memo here? I don't recall being on the hook for providing you beverages, Paul. Now, we get a wager going, then that's a horse of a different colour. What could we do? My 50 free versus your 50 ***? Nope, your not doing 50 Br. My 100 free versus your 100 fly? (hmm, that one might be close but I still think I'd lose by about a second). My 50 Fr versus yours, most under seed? Hulkster...is alzheimers setting in? Remember this little chat: July 1st, 2008, 07:33 AM #21 pwolf66 Very Active Member Hulk Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Montgomery Village, MD Posts: 915 Re: Masters Swimming -------------------------------------------------------------------------- So since I didn't swim would that put my times ~ infinite? If so I want in!!!! Well, I want in anyway. Beer is good.

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Former Member — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:15:01 GMT

Can anyone tell me is there a swim up bar. I have gotten used to a shot of something after every 50.

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pwolf66 — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:00:56 GMT

and on a personal note Chris & Hulk will have to buy me beer Did I miss a memo here? I don't recall being on the hook for providing you beverages, Paul. Now, we get a wager going, then that's a horse of a different colour. What could we do? My 50 free versus your 50 ***? Nope, your not doing 50 Br. My 100 free versus your 100 fly? (hmm, that one might be close but I still think I'd lose by about a second). My 50 Fr versus yours, most under seed?

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pwolf66 — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:36:05 GMT

Hey Chris, When do you turn 45 by the way? Not soon enough :whiteflag::whiteflag::whiteflag: At least Mark Gill aged up to my age group now. So I have someone to aim for who is slightly faster than me. As opposed to watching most people's (Chris, Steve H, Ross, etc.) feet after the first length. Paul

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Chris Stevenson — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:26:22 GMT

Straight up? I'm a senior citizen and you want to race straight up? 1 second seems fair... Riiiight, old man, I'll be giving you one second after you just went 59.0 unrested. Are you really that hard up for free beer? I'll give you 0.1 sec for each year you give up...if you give me 0.1 sec for each inch I give up. Jonathan, the videos were recorded and posted by Dave Holland, whom I train with here in Richmond.

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Paul Smith — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:15:54 GMT

Dreamer. Since 200 free was my 6th event and has been dropped, the only event we have in common is the 100 fly. We can have a side beer bet (and, much more importantly, bragging rights) on straight-up time... Straight up? I'm a senior citizen and you want to race straight up? 1 second seems fair...

RE: Any estimates on how big Portland Nationals will be??

Chris Stevenson — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:40:31 GMT

Are we going to see 3 LC world records? (Make sure the video is posted) I think you'll get it done, you're a professor with a steady hand... When do you turn 45 by the way? Highly doubtful. I was born in 1964 so I'll be 45 by FINA rules next year. I don't own a video camera, sorry! The postings from that one meet were from a friend who took them, unasked (I would never ask him or anyone else to film my funky strokes). But -- speaking of videos -- you know how they have the blue line showing WR pace when they show swimming on TV? I would love it if, when I swim the 100 fly, they could arrange to have that line on the bottom of the pool, showing Paul Smith's 100 fly progress.

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knelson — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:21:03 GMT

I hope the lights are good at the pool. Looking at the number of entries in the distance events Thursday the final heat of the men's 1500 will probably finish somewhere around 10:00 p.m.

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Former Member — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:54:52 GMT

Paul isn't swimming the 400 at Nationals. I believe he's talking about another meet before Nats where he entered the 400. My mistake. :wave: