Olympic nightmare?

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Former Member — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:40:12 GMT

Hey Paul, Read with interest your comments re the new suits -- but with even more interest your jealousy for the young and the fast, I always felt that way about you! Tim Garton

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Former Member — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:20:21 GMT

*Gasp* The media does this?! But I thought they were fair and balanced.:) Fox is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bolt:

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Former Member — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:03:44 GMT

Tree, where actually are you posting your info from? The reason I ask is I am wondering how you get away with posting things against the government when if we believe all the evils we here about your government, you wouldn't be allowed to say things so openly...... I am typing all those words right from my desk in my company in Beijing. believe it or not, we can complain about the government in internet (but probably better not in newspaper. I do not mean that you would be arrested in you complain in newspaper. It indeed happened in the past but only in very extreme situations. Most of those who complain in newspaper are not living a great life any more, but OK. they are not in the prison), in private, or in semi-public. For instance, I can critisize the government in my office. No problem at all. I think the reason that you ask this question is that you are influenced by the media who sometimes publish very very extreme cases, sometimes publish fake stories, sometimes publish true stories but deliberately led the analysis into those stories to their direction, or sometimes the journalists report the true situation but only focus on the evil side of communist party while ignoring the whole picture, in particular, I think those journalists ignore the linkage between the government and its numorous predecessors, the fact that it is group-dictatorship political system, also they probably never ask why democracy or capitalism never happened in China. It is very easy to blame all the faults to the communist party. But based on chinese history that would not change things completely. I remember one saying: if a child does something very very badly we probably need to re-examine the whole society. the same with china. if we get these problems occuring again and again in our history then we need to re looke ourselves as a nation. Li

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mctrusty — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:52:23 GMT

I think the reason that you ask this question is that you are influenced by the media who sometimes publish very very extreme cases, sometimes publish fake stories, sometimes publish true stories but deliberately led the analysis into those stories to their direction, or sometimes the journalists report the true situation but only focus on the evil side of communist party while ignoring the whole picture, in particular, I think those journalists ignore the linkage between the government and its numorous predecessors, the fact that it is group-dictatorship political system, also they probably never ask why democracy or capitalism never happened in China. *Gasp* The media does this?! But I thought they were fair and balanced.:)

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Paul Smith — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:10:17 GMT

Hey Paul, Read with interest your comments re the new suits -- but with even more interest your jealousy for the young and the fast, I always felt that way about you! Tim Garton Hey stranger...where have you been hiding???!!! Talking with Al how its far past time for you to get back to the big time and really make some people jealous!!

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Former Member — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:27:22 GMT

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Former Member — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:03:00 GMT

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Former Member — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:39:59 GMT

Li, thank you for your post. We are fortunate to have someone like you on this board who can speak about these issues from a local's perspective. I also appreciate your honesty. For what it's worth, I am glad the Olympics are being held in China. I think it will be good for China, and good for China's relationship with the larger international community. -Chris Thanks for your understanding. I agree that the government has done a great deal of harm to China and its citizens. But I do not think that isolation China from the international community is going to do any good to the ordinary people here. Take Iraq for example, before the war the international community put sanctions on Iraq. the result was very obvious: the ordinary people suffered more and Sadamm enjoyed more. Right untill the war. The same thing would happen in China as well if China were isolated. The only difference would be that the government, or the interest-gained/powerful group replace Sadamm because in China it is now a group dictatorship pollitical system rather than a one-person dictatorship. Another thing why I oppose an isolation approach to China is that China needs new ideas, new ideology from other cultures/countries to change its own way of thinking. An Isolation approach would block the spread of those new ideas into China, which would escalate the situation here. Many Chinese people, significantly influenced by the traditional Chinese culture, have no idea or very little idea on what another culture is like or what another political system works. As a result, when they think the government is wrong they still turn to the Chinese culture/political theories trying to find a "new" way to reslove the problems, which, in my opinion, is not new at all. The same recipe with different ingredients. If we look into the nearly three thousand of years of Chinese history we would find a continuous replacement of a new dynasty to the old one, then the new one was replaced by the next new one. What kept change was who controlled the country. What remained unchanged was the controlling mechanism each dynasty used. In terms of political/philosophy theory behind the political mechanism, confucianism, the dominated theory, was upheld by generations of CHina for neary two thousand years. Individualism, individual's Freedom, democracy, the respect of private ownership of property, etc. all those important ideas never gained a position in Chinese history. The communist party we have today is no different. They may call themselves communist party but in nature they are still more or less a traditional Chinese ideology dominated political party. As Chairman Mao put it: the ideology adopted by the chinese communist party is a combination of the Maxism with the real Chinese situation. or probably more correctly, the localization of Maxism. Mao emphasized the REAL CHINESE SITUATION again and again in his works. In his early political life Mao was critised by classical Maxists as being a not real maxist and was suppressed until he led the chinese communist party to survive the Long March. Coincidence or not Mao actually never set his foot on a foreign land except Russia. All the leaders after Mao, no matter how they disagree with him, still carries Mao's perception into the new ideas from another culture. For example, all the important policies made by the government must emphasize the unique characteristics of the chinse society when introducing new ideas, new approaches, etc. In theory, it is correct that every new idea must consider the real situation of each case before those new ideas get implemented. But in real world, many parties distort the new ideas to gain their own interest under the name of considering the unique characteristics of our sociey. All I want to say is that CHina must look outside of both its geographic boders and its culture/political sphere to take new blood to guide its sustainable development. Only more communication with outside world can contribute to that. An isolation approach would only make things worse. Why we need the new ideas from outside? because the continuous three thousand year of history makes it very very difficult to change by only resorting to the things of our own. Finally I want to point out that the above said is only my personal opinions. Many many of my fellow countryman would not agree with me. Those who read them should be aware that if they want to explore more about China. Li

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Former Member — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:47:27 GMT

they said yes to China because they have been saying no for so long. It is truly ne of the worse governments in the world. what is truly upsettign is that we will only see the "Beautiful China' I'm sure NBC is going to kiss the toes of the Chinese leaders and sho nohting truly happening in The Peoples Republic of China. If NBC leaves the olympics we will see beautiful little children, the Great Wall, the buried Army and maybe pandas. Nothing about the polution in northeastern China where daily people die from efects of pulotion, no world about the coditions in china's prisons (the worst in the world), no story about the flood of young going into the cities leaving the countryside full of elderly who can't take care of themselves nor provide the agricultural needs of the cities. quote] Craig, I have seen you expressed your resentments against Chinese government in several of your posts concerning China. Nothing wrong with that. And most information I have read in your posts is true, especially the statement you made that the government is one of the worst. one thing you kept repeating is that you constantly imply the absolute linkage between the government and the "ugly" side of China (this is not a proper word. It is just used as opposed to the Beautiful you mentioned). And there is no doubt that the government, in one way or another, has caused the misery or escalated the situation. BUT it is wrong to assign all the responsibilities of those misery to the government. Most of the misery, if not all of them, have existed and continued in CHina for centuries. The current government, in its essence, has nothing different from the previous government or dynasties. What it did was following the footsteps of its predecessors, either leave those problems alone or solve them, or try to solve them but failed to do so and escalated them.

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Former Member — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:03:15 GMT

Geeez, African Queen, Bogart and Hepburn "Leeches...I hate leeches!"

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dorothyrde — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:18:20 GMT

"Leeches...I hate leeches!" Yep! But GREAT movie!

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dorothyrde — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:59:10 GMT

Geeez, African Queen, Bogart and Hepburn

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Iwannafly — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:31:19 GMT

um..........nooooooo It was Rose in "So I Married an Axe Murderer!" Rose Michaels: Let me make you some breakfast. Charlie Mackenzie: Oh, gee, you know, I'd love to. But you know, I'm really running late, but thanks! Rose Michaels: What would you say to silver-dollar pancakes, fresh-squeezed orange juice, bacon, and Kona coffee? Charlie Mackenzie: Well, that sounds great! Cut to Rose pouring cereal in Charlie's bowl] Rose Michaels: Sorry. I didn't have those other things. Charlie Mackenzie: No, no, that's fine. That other stuff will probably kill you... whereas "Froot Loops" are light, and reasonably high in fiber. I care for "Apple Jacks" a great deal. And just for you Stud: Stuart Mackenzie: Look at the size of that boy's heed. Tony Giardino: Shhh! Stuart Mackenzie: I'm not kidding, it's like an orange on a toothpick. Tony Giardino: Shhh, you're going to give the boy a complex. Stuart Mackenzie: Well, that's a huge noggin. That's a virtual planetoid. Tony Giardino: Shh! Stuart Mackenzie: Has it's own weather system. Tony Giardino: Sh, sh, shh. Stuart Mackenzie: HEAD! MOVE!

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chowmi — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:51:34 GMT

So...she was murdered several hours before 5:30am when her body was found. Coming back from where? A corporate party? "Waitressing"? How does this compare with the murder rate in New York? Los Angeles? If you are not out in the middle of the night/early morning, and avoiding certain lifestyles or occupations, that probably increases your chances of survival quite a bit.

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Former Member — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:22:54 GMT

Canadian model murdered in China in a safe area of the city news.yahoo.com/.../china_model_death

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Former Member — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:13:40 GMT

I did not say this was my belief about Atlanta. I said that I have heard. I don't really care. I do know that several Christian groups were handing out flyers just about every where I went in Atlanta during the Olympics. The People Republic of China can produce so much propaganda it is overwhelming. I am sure we will hear nothing about the people displaced from their homes so that stadiums could be built. We will hear nothing about the hundreds of people who were left homeless with promises of apartments that still haven't been made. Or the people sent to the countryside because there is no place of them. Or the country left with nothing but elders who don't have there daily needs met because all of the young people have gone into the cities to escape poverty. We won't hear about the plunging decrease of farm goods produced or the lowering of the age of death after about 35 years of it increasing in The Peoples republic of china.

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Former Member — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:45:29 GMT

Slow here is the BBC report with a video news.bbc.co.uk/.../3920865.stm They falsely accused a security guard. Yes a bomb went off in Centenial Park, but Centential Park was a couple of miles from the Village and was controlled by Atlanta not ACOG. A bomb has never gone off in the Village as was said here earlier.

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Former Member — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:03:28 GMT

Slow here is the BBC report with a video news.bbc.co.uk/.../3920865.stm They falsely accused a security guard.

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Former Member — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:46:59 GMT

"Heed get doon! Would you look at the size of that boy's cranium!" The piper is doon, the piper is DOON! BTW: When did a bomb go off in the Olympic Village? Not that I know about and I was the Night Logistcs Manager for the 1996 Olympic Village.

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swimr4life — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:50:01 GMT

Many poeple have said tha there will never be another Olympics in the southern USA because of the fanatic Christians and the bomb. WHAT THE CRAP are you talking about?? :shakeshead:Can you make a more politically incorrect, stereotypical statement? I am sick and tired of the snide, rude remarks about southerners. YES, I take them personally!::rant3::censor: I also happen to be a Christian.....My first day back on the forum in a while and this is what I see.......I'm walking AWAY from the computer.....

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Former Member — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:13:21 GMT

Kinky Friedman has a few quotes about cats that might be applicable to this discussion, some of which even border on politics, but at least put them in the rightful humorous perspective: Now I have a cat. Well, that's not quite accurate. A cat and I have each other. Friedman, Kinky (1993), When the cat's away. New York (Wings Books), 421 I rarely meddled in the cat's personal affairs and she rarely meddled in mine. Neither of us was foolish enough to attribute human emotions to our pets. Friedman, Kinky (1993), Greenwich Killing Time. New York (Wings Books), 12 When you have a cat, you assume certain responsibilities that, in a spiritual sense, may transcend those of a marital or a business relationship. Friedman, Kinky (1993), Greenwich Killing Time. New York (Wings Books), 88 Cats, as a rule, don't like lawyers. They have great insight into human character. Friedman, Kinky (1993), Greenwich Killing Time. New York (Wings Books), 48 dv

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Former Member — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:51:57 GMT

My cat(may he rest in peace) was named Charlie, thankyouverymuch. So now I have a dog named Rosie. Charlie, Rosie, what movie, chime in everyone. When Harry met Sally?

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Former Member — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:50:51 GMT

So I Married an Axe Murderer "Heed get doon! Would you look at the size of that boy's cranium!"

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Former Member — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:36:32 GMT

Interestingly I did not know that McVeigh was from the South, neither Kaczynski. I guess the Atlanta members of this forum will be happy with your comparisons...your prejudice is not only towards China and the Chinese people but it overflows into the Southern USA and sprinkles slightly on Christians....

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Former Member — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:15:04 GMT