BYU Swim Camp - No racers (briefs) allowed!

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:21:50 GMT

Actually, this thread has been mostly about people speaking out of their backsides without any real qualifications to do so. Hey! I cited a source for my comment! :D

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:16:46 GMT

There was a rather interesting article about elevators in the New Yorker a few weeks ago. Edit: Ahh, you beat me to the link. Good article.

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:15:00 GMT

www.newyorker.com/.../080421fa_fact_paumgarten

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:13:04 GMT

There was a rather interesting article about elevators in the New Yorker a few weeks ago.

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:58:14 GMT

While we're on the subject of wasteful, expensive technology that people don't need, I have to ask: What's up with elevators?!?! I prefer taking the good, old-fashioned stairs. They provide a little bit of exercise, and they don't contribute to global warming. And I've also found that I can go up the stairs faster if I wear my FS PRO. Hey Craig68 This should have been some place in the NSR discussion, but now that you brought up the subject of the environmental effects of elevators and high rise buildings, here’s some trivia: :oldman: Elevators are the second most widely used mode of transportation (based on passenger miles per year) and the private auto ranks first. Most of this travel is done in medium to high rise buildings which are in fact more economical and environmentally friendly than having offices situated in several low rise buildings. :agree: Accordingly, with all the economic and environmental benefits, elevators are now the subject of research and development in other countries such as Japan: translib.blogspot.com/.../mitsubishi-builds-worlds-tallest.html Incidentally, in 1996 I was a member of the of the Elevator Code Division of the American Society Of Mechanical Engineers and I gave several presentations on the analysis of the safety features in what are now considered rather mundane computerized elevator controls: www.lantacompany.com/index.php ntlsearch.bts.gov/.../search.do ntlsearch.bts.gov/.../00841006.html Hey - this thread is really an example of social evolution. It went from a discussion about whether swimmers at BYU would be allowed to wear briefs to the environmental benefits of elevators. :doh: Who knows, if this thread stays alive long enough someone will in fact come up with a workable solution to the energy crisis!!! :groovy: Dolphin 2

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:21:44 GMT

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aquageek — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:47:25 GMT

I'm really suprised you'd post and article about how much better things were back in the 1970s, that's really unlike you.

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Paul Smith — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:35:03 GMT

This thread has certainly "morphed"...but after reading one of the better articles I've seen discussing our sport, technology, records, etc. I figured I'd wade in and pass it along: www.swimnetwork.com/.../shameless_plug__the_mark_spitz_era-14117.html

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aquageek — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:17:23 GMT

Hey - this thread is really an example of social evolution. Actually, this thread has been mostly about people speaking out of their backsides without any real qualifications to do so.

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aquageek — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:31:33 GMT

Geek, you had better sell that fancy-schmancy carbon bicycle of yours before the bubble bursts. You're better off on a steel bike with shifters mounted on the down tube and only 10 speeds. Who really needs those extra 10 gears anyway? Oops, that may have been a thread jack. Sorry.:-) I want to go on record as saying that I own a used bike, that I got very affordably. It's not a full carbon bike. As I was passed by hundreds and hundreds of bikers last weekend, I realized that paying a few thousand more for a bike really won't do much more than boost my ego. There is a certain peace that comes from winning wearing/riding ratty old gear, which does nullify all my previous arguments, I do realize.

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Iwannafly — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:06:49 GMT

...FYI - you have zero history in sports to support your assertion the tech suit craze will go away. It hasn't gone away in a single other sport. Golf, tennis, basketball, cycling, baseball, etc have all had a major surge in technology in the last 25 years and it hasn't done anything but get stronger and stronger. Swimming is just the newest sport to the game, and not really new at all, well over a decade now. Sports and technology are now as coupled as, well, Fort and her pimped out Dodge Caravan XCH (extra cup holders). Geek, you had better sell that fancy-schmancy carbon bicycle of yours before the bubble bursts. You're better off on a steel bike with shifters mounted on the down tube and only 10 speeds. Who really needs those extra 10 gears anyway? Oops, that may have been a thread jack. Sorry.:-)

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:18:59 GMT

Evolution exists... look we went from briefs to nasa in less then 6 pages...lol so really, ive never been a big tech suit person but how long do they normally last (and still feel "better") hey at least FINA did not ban all suits to cut out any arguments...

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:24:55 GMT

I'm really suprised you'd post and article about how much better things were back in the 1970s, that's really unlike you. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:35:37 GMT

Wow - not a swimmer, no competitive background, never been in the water in one, yet fully qualified to preach to us about what folks should wear. FYI - you have zero history in sports to support your assertion the tech suit craze will go away. It hasn't gone away in a single other sport. Golf, tennis, basketball, cycling, baseball, etc have all had a major surge in technology in the last 25 years and it hasn't done anything but get stronger and stronger. Swimming is just the newest sport to the game, and not really new at all, well over a decade now. Sports and technology are now as coupled as, well, Fort and her pimped out Dodge Caravan XCH (extra cup holders). Hey Aquageek Seems that using the word “Technology” to describe a FastskinII or an LZR is carrying things a wee bit to the extreme. A so called swimmer’s “Tech Suit” is just a glorified (and highly expensive) reinvention of the girdle or the corset. I’ve looked up the words girdle and corset in the dictionary and neither of the definitions refer to them as being form of “Technology”. :shakeshead: Girdle: education.yahoo.com/.../girdle Corset: education.yahoo.com/.../corset;_ylt=Arav_jV8r9Ng7HJrCvkkR2gZvskF However, if there is a new development that can enable someone with a Bob or Barbara Beerbelly physique to swim faster, then I am certain that most people would humorously refer to it as a form of "technology". :agree: Dolphin 2

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aquageek — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:43:23 GMT

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:26:16 GMT

Hey Jayhawk You aren't suggesting that Speedo, Tyr, Nike, etc. incorporate all of those features into a tech suit are you??? :joker: Not even NASA was able to do that. That was the one thing the astronauts hated about long moon walks. Being on the surface of the moon in a bulky spacesuit for 8 or 10 hours presented quite a challenge. For "solid waste" management, the best NASA could come up with was diapers worn inside the spacesuits. The Japanese TOTO company probably doesn't produce this product, designed for American-sized behinds (and rated to withstand 2000 lbs): www.greatjohn.com/Product1.html

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:00:13 GMT

To quote a Forestry Service friend 'Where there's smoke, there's probably an idiot with matches' But still, that doesn't answer the fundamental question, what EXACTLY do you get out of harping on the tech suit 'craze'? I'm sure that this question, among many, many, many others that have been posed to you directly, will also go unanswered. Put it simply: Je suis finis avec vous Paul Hey Pwolf66 You have a point there. It's just that I find that this suit technology thing is turning into an object of ripe satire on the idiosyncrasies of society itself like people buying gas guzzling SUVs (they can't afford to drive anymore), the Bush Administration, and the sub prime real estate bust. As for being a troll on the subject of tech suit bashing, the important question is who opened up this can of worms in the first place??? :dunno: Dolphin 2

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:49:21 GMT

To quote a Forestry Service friend 'Where there's smoke, there's probably an idiot with matches' Paul The difference here is that forest fires serve a purpose.

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:41:09 GMT

From: en.wikipedia.org/.../Toilets_in_Japan Hey Jayhawk You aren't suggesting that Speedo, Tyr, Nike, etc. incorporate all of those features into a tech suit are you??? :joker: Dolphin 2

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:24:52 GMT

I stopped reading too soon. From the same Wikipedia page: Other features may include a heated seat, which may be adjustable from 30°C to 40°C; an automatic lid equipped with a proximity sensor, which opens and closes based on the location of the user. Some even play music to relax the user's sphincter (some Inax toilets, for example, play the first few tunes of Op. 62 Nr. 6 Frühlingslied by Felix Mendelssohn). Other features are automatic flushing, automatic air deodorizing, and a germ-resistant surface. Some models specially designed for the elderly may include arm rests and devices that help the user to stand up after use. A soft close feature slows the toilet lid down while closing so the lid does not slam onto the seat, or in some models, the toilet lid will close automatically a certain time after flushing. The most recent introduction is the ozone deodorant system that can quickly eliminate the smells. Also, the latest models store the times when the toilet is used and have a power saving mode that warms the toilet seat only during times when the toilet is likely to be used based on historic usage patterns. Some toilets also glow in the dark or may even have air conditioning below the rim for hot summer days. Another recent innovation is intelligent sensors that detect someone standing in front of the toilet and initiate an automatic raising of the lid (if someone is facing the toilet) or the lid and seat together (if the person is facing away from the toilet).

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:21:17 GMT

In fact, Toto of Japan produces toilets in a technologically advanced factory, however that in itself doesn’t make their toilets a new form of technology (and people aren't silly enough to run out and spend over $500 on one of them either!!!). :lmao: From: en.wikipedia.org/.../Toilets_in_Japan The TOTO product Washlet Zoe is listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the world's most sophisticated toilet with seven functions. However, as the model was introduced in 1997, it is now likely to be inferior to the latest model by Toto Neorest. The idea for the washlet came from abroad, and the first toilet seat with integrated bidet was produced outside of Japan in 1964. The age of the high-tech toilet in Japan started in 1980 with the introduction of the Washlet G Series by TOTO, and since then the product name washlet has been used to refer to all types of Japanese high-tech toilets. As of 2002, almost half of all private homes in Japan have such a toilet, exceeding the number of households with a personal computer. While the toilet looks like a Western-style toilet at first glance, there are a number of additional features, such as blow dryer, seat heating, massage options, water jet adjustments, automatic lid opening, flushing after use, wireless control panels, heating and air conditioning for the room, et cetera, included either as part of the toilet or in the seat. These features can be accessed by a control panel that is either attached to one side of the seat or on a wall nearby, often transmitting the commands wirelessly to the toilet seat.

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:00:10 GMT

-and another opportunity for me to make a big stink!!! :argue: Dolphin 2 Just exit the pool first...ktxbai! :cool:

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:55:31 GMT

Hey Pwolf66 Your quote: “You're a Troll. Plain and simple.” You’ve got that right!!! :banana: There’s an old saying back in the plains states (where they have some really severe thunderstorms): “For every bolt of lightning, there’s something that invited the strike”. And at MAD Magazine, there’s also a saying “For every troll, there’s a subject that invited the ridicule”. :joker: Since the tech suit craze broke out, the once sacred USMS board has now become a very fertile breeding ground for trolls and I’m just waiting for the next new development from Speedo, Tyr, Nike, etc. -and another opportunity for me to make a big stink!!! :argue: Dolphin 2

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:06:54 GMT

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, I think I get it now. You just love to argue endlessly about things that do not directly affect you. Yeah. Dolphin 2, I'm not a fan of tech suits (even though I've been known to wear them), but your arguments are tactless and pointless.

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:04:17 GMT

It's almost like shooting fish in a barrel when you make another uneducated statement like the one above. If you don't think the materials, innovation (like it or not), engineering and investment in these are technology, well then you don't really understand technology. Then again, you don't swim competitively and have never been in one of these suits in the water. Hey Aquageek The suit makers “research” has already been known for over 30 years and it’s no revelation that any type of body compression suit (or other items such as foot or hand fins) can make a any person a faster swimmer. :snore: Although the actual design and manufacturing equipment used to produce these suits (such as computer aided drafting, robotic cutting, and laser fabric bonding) is a technology itself, the end product is just another form of garment and its final application to swimming does not constitute a technological innovation. :snore: In fact, Toto of Japan produces toilets in a technologically advanced factory, however that in itself doesn’t make their toilets a new form of technology (and people aren't silly enough to run out and spend over $500 on one of them either!!!). :lmao: However, the suit makers main investment has mostly been in giving FINA a load of $$$ in exchange for relaxing (if not virtually dumping) the rules regarding mechanized swimming enhancements. If you don’t believe this is true, what was the motivation for FINA to change the rules (that were in place for decades) from a non-mechanized to a mechanized approach? :notworking: As the old saying goes "Where there's smoke, there's fire". :agree: Dolphin 2