I don't want to age!!

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Former Member — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:00:22 GMT

:lolup: That's awesome. Thanks!

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Former Member — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:49:26 GMT

Is that something like write before you think? Or Only say what you want repeated. Or Old age is better then the alternative.

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mctrusty — Mon, 12 May 2008 08:29:06 GMT

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Former Member — Sun, 11 May 2008 15:47:03 GMT

You know, I hadn't really thought it through at the time, that moment was just streaming consciousness. That's the funny thing about writing through this medium, we can have a thought which would usually be fleeting in "nature", but somehow we elevate that moment to something sleightly greater. To answer the question, yes and no, or no and yes depending on the whether. Hmmm, I'm not sure what your use of quotes around natural implies. It seems to me to have different meanings in each sentence, and so the argument relies on some rhetorical sleight-of-hand. Whereas "naturally occurring" in the first part of the argument implies something produced through nature, "natural" in the second sentence, I think, is a commonly used synonym for "normal", a social construct. Do you mean that it's not normal for some athletes to train as obsessively as they do? In a relatively sedentary society, it's not normal. But it's perfectly natural, in a genetic sense.

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Former Member — Fri, 09 May 2008 16:27:28 GMT

Still controversial--depends on which study you read. Most did not use the mega doses that the athletes have tried. Apparently Dara and her entourage believe in it. Or maybe the supplements are a smokescreen. Either way, I didn't know Dara was taking so many supplements... I'm firmly against arginine, and nitrogen oxide... just my philosophy... Although isolated protien is very helpful, and this is where the discussion goes a little sideways... Isolated protien is essentially engineered food, it doesn't occur "naturally". Yet, it isn't really "natural" to even train as obsessively as most ahletes do.. Yet, this isn't banned.

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Former Member — Fri, 09 May 2008 13:10:10 GMT

You are right Steak is better. I was at a meeting and talking about diet for swimmers. I told the group about my taking raw calves liver and shaving it very thin and eating it raw. I told the group about the benefits, how it improved our blood. Gave us a natural source of Iron. We got carried away with other things and I forgot to tell them I was pulling their legs. The next day one of the Olympic backstrokers came up to me and said she had tried it , it really tasted strange and did I flavor it in anyway.

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Former Member — Fri, 09 May 2008 12:45:28 GMT

Would we not be better not to experiment with the unknowns and think more about our well being. I have been neglecting the steady 3 or 4 times a day the testing of my blood sugar. Today I am going to start it up again after talking to my daughter. Janis was at a meeting yesterday afternoon. A friend of hers was taking minutes of a meeting she was at. Her friend slumped at the table and died. She was a diabetic. All of these potions you get to enhance your abilities could be even more dangerous then you think, just watch the story about the East German athletes.

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mctrusty — Fri, 09 May 2008 10:26:06 GMT

Either way, I didn't know Dara was taking so many supplements... I'm firmly against arginine, and nitrogen oxide... just my philosophy... Although isolated protien is very helpful, and this is where the discussion goes a little sideways... Isolated protien is essentially engineered food, it doesn't occur "naturally". Yet, it isn't really "natural" to even train as obsessively as most ahletes do.. Yet, this isn't banned. Hmmm, I'm not sure what your use of quotes around natural implies. It seems to me to have different meanings in each sentence, and so the argument relies on some rhetorical sleight-of-hand. Whereas "naturally occurring" in the first part of the argument implies something produced through nature-as-a-force, "natural" in the second sentence, I think, is a commonly used synonym for "normal", a social construct. Do you mean that it's not normal for some athletes to train as obsessively as they do? In a relatively sedentary society, it's not normal. But it's perfectly natural, in a genetic sense. From a nature-as-a-force standpoint, humans are pretty well adapted to endurance training, and being an endurance predator may have served our species well at some point. Not that it takes much endurance these days to hit the Taco Bell drive-thru for fourthmeal, but our genes have much longer memories than our brains. Couple that with the fact that it's natural, from an evolutionary standpoint, for some people to compete against themselves and others, and it's easy to see how training can turn into a lifestyle choice (not natural-as-normal, by some standards). I think that the argument falls apart if you equalize the use of the word "natural". Maybe this is just a long-winded way of saying what the quotation marks implied... :dunno:

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mctrusty — Fri, 09 May 2008 08:55:12 GMT

Although isolated protien is very helpful, and this is where the discussion goes a little sideways... Isolated protien is essentially engineered food, it doesn't occur "naturally". Steak protein is so much tastier.

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Former Member — Thu, 08 May 2008 16:50:11 GMT

Is there any solid evidence that amino acids really promote the natural production of human growth hormone? Still controversial--depends on which study you read. Most did not use the mega doses that the athletes have tried. Apparently Dara and her entourage believe in it. Or maybe the supplements are a smokescreen.

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Former Member — Thu, 08 May 2008 14:07:03 GMT

It wasn't the competition pool. It was the diving well, where I personally spent much more time. My friend who had trouble breathing asked about it and was told there were high amounts of chlorine in it (she was also just recovering from bronchitis). Apart from that, being in a pool environment for 10 hours a day for 3 days just does not agree with everyone's respiratory system. However, I agree the facility was way better than most. As I said, I didn't notice any breathing issues until Sunday afternoon. No doubt in my mind it was not the chlorine. It was excessive use of inhalers by Masters swimmers. All kinds of weird chemicals being dispensed in that building over the weekend! :roids:

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Former Member — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:01:46 GMT

As I recall, you were trying to do doubles, but couldn't recover. Fort, I meant to congratulate you on your AWESOME Nationals meet. What a 50 Fly!! :bow::bow::bow: As a kid, I couldn't recover from doubles either (so ended up not doing them!) So I don't think it's an age issue. I was 14-15 at the time! I think it's more of an "I STINK" issue!

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Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2008 16:45:43 GMT

I guess because you refferred to it in your post and linked that way to a sales pitch. I never refer to my signature links. Look, my intention is primarily to share information with you, people who have similar interests. The 100 freestyle that I did a few weekends ago was the 7th fastest of my entire life. At age 31 I'm very proud of that. This race was back to back, right after the 100 IM, usually I would have been totally depleted for another 25-30 mninutes. I've only been swimming 3 times a week, and some dryland, but other than that I've been amazed by how my body has been recovering and adapting. It has been six weeks now since my mother first told me about the (NOT A SALES PITCH) link, and I'm so excited, not because of the $$, but because of the results!! How could I not share this?

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Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2008 16:23:02 GMT

Lindsay I would have to give up my trip to Mexico, I age better there.

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Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2008 16:21:11 GMT

Thanks Paul, for what you've been writing. Yes, I'm the same, there is such a thing as a breakthrough in science! Just look at the LZR suit! Listen people... We have a choice, that's why we swim. Please, just ask me. I want to be real clear about this...I'm all for LEGAL supplements, always have been. My only point was that some folks wanted to pooh pooh this thread/testimonial right out of the gate saying how big of a waste it is to try things like this...and as I pointed out they are some of the same people that stood up big time for Dara defending her use of just these kind of things to explain her success vs. anything illegal....sorry but you can't have it both ways!

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Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2008 16:20:49 GMT

I don't want to age - I just looked at the date, May 19th is my birthday and I will be 75. That means that you are only 34.53s away from setting a Canadian national record SCM, or 35.24s LCM. I'm sure you could do it! Or 42.83s away from a 50 fly SCM National record. As the ads say just do it! :canada::cheerleader::canada:

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Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2008 16:19:16 GMT

I guess because you refferred to it in your post and linked that way to a sales pitch. I never refer to my signature links. HEY! They took away the link in my signature, but allowed the thread to stay open... I should say thank you... this is going to be a discussion that is hard to ignore. Look, how many other people have links in their signature? Why signal me out...? I am just sharing what is going to be important news in the future, I want to be ahead of the curve.

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Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2008 16:13:42 GMT

Is it legal? It is legal George, and it has the approval of many of the top scientists of our day.

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Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2008 16:08:06 GMT

HEY! They took away the link in my signature, but allowed the thread to stay open... I should say thank you... this is going to be a discussion that is hard to ignore. Look, how many other people have links in their signature? Why signal me out...? I am just sharing what is going to be important news in the future, I want to be ahead of the curve.

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Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:00:31 GMT

Based on what you've shared with us you already are training harder than her... I think this was the best slam I've received to date on this board. So Paul, let me get this right. I train HARDER than DARA = My times and USMS rankings OUCH!!! :laugh2: So basically, according to a USMS multiple national record holder, I SUCK beyond belief and had better quit this sport ASAP and move to Germany for noodling and supplements. Heck, I don't think even 90 caps of wheat germ oil a day or truckloads of Glutathione can help this poor soul.

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Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:35:10 GMT

I listened to the experts in the past. I took 90 caps of wheat germ oil a day. (hi in vitamin E) I used to take 6 caps of vitamin B complex with Iron every day. I found out later I swam better with just eating good food. A Canadian Olympic Rower was disqualified for using banned sustances. sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.../laum.html If you have a disease that interferes with your sport should it be legal to use drugs. I take 9 pills every day to control my blood pressure and my sugar. Should I really be allowed to compete. Blood presure with medication 123 over 70. Blood sugar with medication 5.5 or near 5.5. I don't want to age - I just looked at the date, May 19th is my birthday and I will be 75. I just realized I am getting older. It is better to age then the alternative...

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Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:07:25 GMT

There are two certain things in our lives. Death and Taxes. The Egyptians built Pyramids. Do I see a Pyramid - scheme?. I cleaned our carpets yesterday. I just found out that ageing is catching up. Hardest work I have ever done. It would have been better to pay someone to do it. As William Hung says “Whatever you believe in, and if you keep trying, you can eventually succeed,” tvguide.sympatico.msn.ca/.../080422_william_hung_teaches_MH.htm George, don't you mean Death and Consequences?

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Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:03:34 GMT

About the inhaler sports.espn.go.com/.../videopage

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Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2008 13:24:52 GMT

What does *** Pound think??? Is it legal?

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Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2008 13:06:50 GMT

Funny that I see a bunch of the Dara worshippers on here bashing this....guess they missed her interview last night which touched on the massive quantities of this kind of stuff she takes. I like Dara. Doesn't mean I want to be her or train like her.