Let's go back to the old ways

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Allen Stark — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:06:23 GMT

Way to go Mark.Great swims.:cheerleader::banana:

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Former Member — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:54:04 GMT

I dunno...the 100 and 200 times are pretty beatable, with your track record. Swim fast at nats:wave: Nice swims, Mark. It's gonna be tough to win best 2 out of 3 in our *** gridge going up against those times. We'll know in a week!

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Former Member — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:17:01 GMT

Okay, so maybe this belongs in the "Attaboy or attagirl: SR NH everyone welcome" thread, but...it kinda works here, too. I wrapped up my SCY season today. It was my second consecutive season swimming masters after a 20-year layoff (previous to this my last masters meet was the Green Wave Masters Invitational on 10/31/1987.) Comparing times: Year.....Age......50 BR.......100 BR......200 BR......100 IM 1987......28.......29.55......1:07.43.....2:36.41.....1:00.39 2007......48.......29.59......1:05.94.....2:30.25.....1:01.55 2008......49.......28.60......1:05.20.....2:25.81........59.81 I'm pretty sure it wasn't the suit (FSII jammers.) But I can't help thinking their was some devine intervention...:bow: I'm off to celebrate:drink:Good luck to those going to Nats. If I beat my 1986 times, it wouldn't matter if it was in a LZR, baggy pants, or birthday suit... I'd be celebrating:party2:...I'd have NO problem believing it was me and not the suit.:2cents: I had some time drops at the NW zone meet this weekend, and I had a speedo FS2 legskin, the first time I've worn a racing-type suit. I'm sort of wondering how much of the improvement was due to training, taper, faster pool, and finally the suit. There is a temptation to go buy the fastest racing suit available, but I also want to see what I'm capable of without the benefit of a racing suit, so I'll probably just keep the FS2 and only wear it for big meets, and just use a normal suit at other meets. In my case I'm not competing against anyone for the most part, I just want to reach and beat my old times. If I were to beat my 500 free time from 1986 using an LZR suit for example, I'd have some nagging doubts about if I really beat it or what I would have gotten in 1986 if the LZR had been around then.

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Former Member — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:57:05 GMT

The current winner of the LGBTTOW Award is SS for pretending to do a bike ride on a 40 pound bike. Did you have to walk that baby up those tough 1% grades? Man, a 30 mile ride on that thing would expend more calories than I use up in an entire bike season. I'm going to see who swims in two pairs of shredded training briefs at Nationals to look for a better performance than that, Rich!

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Former Member — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:08:53 GMT

I agree!! And if you wear a regular suit in a non-taper meet, how can you compare that to a taper meet? The time differential most likely would be disproportionately due to the taper and/or fast pool, not the suit. Good question, a lot of variables at work here. Maybe I should wear the fs2 in some non-taper meets to get a better idea.

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Former Member — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:58:47 GMT

Hmmm...Maybe this post should be included the Womens Locker Room thread:eek::bolt: I agree!! I still also think it makes more of a difference for women than men. Not that much difference between a brief and a kneeskin ... And if you wear a regular suit in a non-taper meet, how can you compare that to a taper meet? The time differential most likely would be disproportionately due to the taper and/or fast pool, not the suit. Those make a huge difference. Suit makes a minor difference. Besides, an old bodyskin goes on and off speedy quick. You all go back to the "old ways." I will go on record as saying I won't be competing in a masters meet without some sort of old or new bodyskin. I can always pee in the shower after the race ...

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Former Member — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:34:24 GMT

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Former Member — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:57:43 GMT

I nominate fig leafs aided by double sided tape. The Webmaster's great-uncle had the right idea.... See: www.sandowmuseum.com/page121.html Anna Lea

RE: Let's go back to the old ways

Former Member — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:22:31 GMT

Yeah, let's go really old school a la 1900 Olympics in Paris: img260.imageshack.us/.../gal1900sl08zu5.jpg 1. Swim in a festering backwater of the filthy, polluted Seine 2. Screw blocks, jump off a floating platform 3. Just to keep things interesting: have tons of boats wander into the competition space 4. Training: raw eggs, lots of steak, back-snapping "limbering exercises", cigarettes, electric linement shock treatments.

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The Fortress — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:20:41 GMT

If I beat my 1986 times, it wouldn't matter if it was in a LZR, baggy pants, or birthday suit... I'd be celebrating:party2:...I'd have NO problem believing it was me and not the suit.:2cents: I agree!! I still also think it makes more of a difference for women than men. Not that much difference between a brief and a kneeskin ... And if you wear a regular suit in a non-taper meet, how can you compare that to a taper meet? The time differential most likely would be disproportionately due to the taper and/or fast pool, not the suit. Those make a huge difference. Suit makes a minor difference. Besides, an old bodyskin goes on and off speedy quick. You all go back to the "old ways." I will go on record as saying I won't be competing in a masters meet without some sort of old or new bodyskin. I can always pee in the shower after the race ...

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Former Member — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:25:25 GMT

If I beat my 1986 times, it wouldn't matter if it was in a LZR, baggy pants, or birthday suit... I'd be celebrating:party2:...I'd have NO problem believing it was me and not the suit.:2cents: I had some time drops at the NW zone meet this weekend, and I had a speedo FS2 legskin, the first time I've worn a racing-type suit. I'm sort of wondering how much of the improvement was due to training, taper, faster pool, and finally the suit. There is a temptation to go buy the fastest racing suit available, but I also want to see what I'm capable of without the benefit of a racing suit, so I'll probably just keep the FS2 and only wear it for big meets, and just use a normal suit at other meets. In my case I'm not competing against anyone for the most part, I just want to reach and beat my old times. If I were to beat my 500 free time from 1986 using an LZR suit for example, I'd have some nagging doubts about if I really beat it or what I would have gotten in 1986 if the LZR had been around then.

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Chris Stevenson — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:18:56 GMT

I had some time drops at the NW zone meet this weekend, and I had a speedo FS2 legskin, the first time I've worn a racing-type suit. I'm sort of wondering how much of the improvement was due to training, taper, faster pool, and finally the suit. There is a temptation to go buy the fastest racing suit available, but I also want to see what I'm capable of without the benefit of a racing suit, so I'll probably just keep the FS2 and only wear it for big meets, and just use a normal suit at other meets. In my case I'm not competing against anyone for the most part, I just want to reach and beat my old times. If I were to beat my 500 free time from 1986 using an LZR suit for example, I'd have some nagging doubts about if I really beat it or what I would have gotten in 1986 if the LZR had been around then. David, if you are just competing against yourself, then consider not wearing the suit. Last weekend I did my fastest 500 since 1995, wearing only conventional briefs. In my other races I came close to or beat all my times from last year when I wore the FSII kneeskin. I'm not on a mission to ban the LZR or convert anyone, but I was wondering exactly the same thing as you -- how much me, how much the suit? -- and it is kind of nice to answer the question and not to have to worry about the gyrations necessary to put on all that carp. It also makes it so much easier to pee just before a race.:laugh2:

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Former Member — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:50:40 GMT

We don't want to go backwards in stroke technique the changes are great. Back to what I wear now is fine. My trusty speedo briefs. Leave the jammers in the drawer.

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Former Member — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:46:37 GMT

Up until the introduction of the "tech" suits, the trend was for swimsuits to be increasingly less intrusive. You basically wore as little material as you could get away with and as form-fitting as possible. Now the trend has gone back to making the suit obtrusive again. Now the suit is sort of actively helping the swimmer, whereas before it was seen as hindering the swimmer. That change in the trend is the problem I have with the tech suits. As I’ve said in other posts on this topic, a swim suit should be as unobtrusive as possible and I like briefs because they are the most logical and comforatable thing to wear in the water. I believe that swimming was at its finest in the 1960s through the early 80s when simple briefs were the norm. Considering both the loss of sensation of being in the water and the controversy that the introduction of "suit technology" has caused, I wouldn’t mind at all if we went back to those old ways -and just stayed there forever. :wine: By the way, if Adolf Kiefer was in fact the one who is credited for the introduction of briefs to swimming, then Kudos for him! He should be remembered for his simple and logical thinking -like who ever invented the wheel! :wine: “If you ain’t really gettin’ wet all over, you ain’t really swimin'." Dolphin 2 :)

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Chris Stevenson — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:39:58 GMT

I believe that swimming was at its finest in the 1960s through the early 80s when simple briefs were the norm. Considering both the loss of sensation of being in the water and the controversy that the introduction of "suit technology" has caused, I wouldn’t mind at all if we went back to those old ways -and just stayed there forever. :wine: Is there anything stopping you? At our recent Zones, certainly there were a lot of technical suits in evidence but also plenty of jammers and briefs. Go for it; "it's just masters" after all, it should be enjoyable above all else.

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Former Member — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:56:44 GMT

That's even worse than the burqini. Notice none of the models is actually pictured anywhere near water? The original models were all in the water, but drown after the suits got wet and heavy.....

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Former Member — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:07:11 GMT

That's even worse than the burqini. Notice none of the models is actually pictured anywhere near water?

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Former Member — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:35:30 GMT

Thanks for the suggestion I orderd one. I hope it arrives before I head back to Mexico, I can't wait to show it off. I hope the federallies don't arrest me. They may allow me to go to the female impersonators club.

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mattson — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:25:37 GMT

962 I also notice that the other students think Harry is a cheater, and here he is with a full body tech-suit !

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Former Member — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:20:49 GMT

Personally, I want to go to this for men and women. www.wholesomewear.com/page-4.html Which of the first three model suits should I wear.

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mattson — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:06:16 GMT

That's even worse than the burqini. Notice none of the models is actually pictured anywhere near water? The original models were all in the water, but drown after the suits got wet and heavy..... Now that you mention it, I think the characters of Ron, Hermione, Cho, and Gabrielle were using those suits in "Goblet of Fire".

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swimshark — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:23:09 GMT

Culotte is by far the cutest for all.

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swimshark — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:06:52 GMT

Personally, I want to go to this for men and women. www.wholesomewear.com/page-4.html

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ViveBene — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:02:24 GMT

Ripple's post brought it all back.... I very clearly remember me mum's rubberized swimsuit (ca. WW II ?), and quite a parade of ruffled cotton swimsuits, some home-made, for girls -- as much pleasure to don as the family tutu. VB

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Former Member — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:01:44 GMT

Okay, you men can swim in whatever you want, but there's no way I'm swimming dressed like this www.fashion-era.com/.../beauties.jpg