Technology Under Review

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Former Member — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:41:14 GMT

"Now you know what a Hockey players bag smells like" George, were you talking about my ex wife?:rofl:

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Former Member — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:18:51 GMT

Now you know what a Hockey players bag smells like. The bags have to be left open outside to get rid of the stink. Hey thanks for the comment Art Z. I had a conversation with one of the guys on the swim team that I help manage and here’s another item to add to my list of "Pet Peeves" about these new suits. He says the combination of full body coverage and waterproof material eliminates the water flow over your skin that would normally keep you cool (if you were swimming in briefs) and you actually sweat in the suit –yes he said sweat- while you’re swimming! :shakeshead: When he gets out of the pool he can’t wait to get the damn thing off and run into the locker room to take a long shower just as if he had finished a work out on dry land. Also, the waterproofing keeps the perspiration inside the suit so it too has to be thoroughly washed or it starts smelling like a moldy gym bag. Frankly I’m developing a case of “Obsessive Compulsive Disorder” as I learn more sordid details about how these new suits feel and every time I read something new about them, I get the uncontrollable urge to start flinging off all of my clothes until I’m wearing nothing but my Fruit Of The Loom undies right in front of everybody in my office. :help: Happy swimming :) Dolphin 2

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Former Member — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:02:24 GMT

Hey thanks for the comment Art Z. I had a conversation with one of the guys on the swim team that I help manage and here’s another item to add to my list of "Pet Peeves" about these new suits. He says the combination of full body coverage and waterproof material eliminates the water flow over your skin that would normally keep you cool (if you were swimming in briefs) and you actually sweat in the suit –yes he said sweat- while you’re swimming! :shakeshead: When he gets out of the pool he can’t wait to get the damn thing off and run into the locker room to take a long shower just as if he had finished a work out on dry land. Also, the waterproofing keeps the perspiration inside the suit so it too has to be thoroughly washed or it starts smelling like a moldy gym bag. Frankly I’m developing a case of “Obsessive Compulsive Disorder” as I learn more sordid details about how these new suits feel and every time I read something new about them, I get the uncontrollable urge to start flinging off all of my clothes until I’m wearing nothing but my Fruit Of The Loom undies right in front of everybody in my office. :help: Happy swimming :) Dolphin 2

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:04:18 GMT

Speedo claims they developed the LZR and other suits with the aid of NASA’s Langley Research Laboratory. However, I did a search for this project and this is all that I could find: naca.larc.nasa.gov/search.jsp www.nasa.gov/.../2008-0214-swimsuit.html In the last link, it turns out that all NASA did was place sheet of the LZR material in a table top wind tunnel and record the data for drag. Basically all the “space age research” performed on the material amounted to a high school science project. It sounds to me like Speedo, Nike, and others have been putting out a bunch of hype (as usual) about the LZR about their “technological research” and looking to make big $$$ off the spectacle of mechanized swimming. I can’t wait until someone in a conventional 1970s style racer brief wins out over the LZR and embarrass the hell out of all these high tech suit makers!!! :banana: Happy swimming :) Dolphin 2

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art_z — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:28:51 GMT

I can’t wait until someone in a conventional 1970s style racer brief wins out over the LZR and embarrass the hell out of all these high tech suit makers!!! :banana: Happy swimming :) Dolphin 2 I think you are going to have to wait. Anyone in the talent caliber that these top swimmers are will be wearing a LZR, or its competitor, and be handsomely compensated for it by the manufacturer. None would be willing to jeapordize their livelyhood for a stunt like that.

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Former Member — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:50:01 GMT

From my understanding of the history of athletics, certain sports were considered to be “innate to the body” and not subject to aid from extraneous factors. In fact, the word “Gym” (as in gymnastics or gymnasium) is derived from the Greek “Gymnos” which literally refers to performing in near nudity and swimming is one athletic activity that lends itself quite well to the definition of a “Gym” activity. However, It is the feel of being in the water with very minimal cover that makes swimming attractive and if you're wearing a "Dry Suit", practically all sensation is lost and you may as well go for ride in a mini submarine instead of swimming. Here’s an idea to swim faster without subjecting the swimmer to the hassle of suiting up in an uncomfortable “costume”: Just add water softener (a surfactant that's in shampoo or bath gels) to the pool to break the surface tension and reduce hydrodynamic friction. Anyone who has taken a bubble bath that contains a water softener knows how it makes the water feel wetter and slippery. I’ve heard a saying something to the effect that “To take away the feel of swimming is to completely ruin the art” -so let's not ruin the art. Happy swimming :cool: California Dolphin

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Former Member — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:53:38 GMT

Most will agree. But it will put many at a great disadvantage.

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Former Member — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:48:28 GMT

Let’s keep this simple if we can--- In the name of fairness and to ensure that no swimmer has a competitive advantage over another swimmer, I believe suits of any kind should be prohibited during competition. :drink:

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knelson — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:53:31 GMT

They recommend gluing cabbage leaves to every inch of your body and sealing the seams with Miracle Whip Now, I might buy it if you were instructed to eat the cabbage an hour or two before your race. That would be supercavitation rather than cabbagetation, though. :)

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Former Member — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:41:59 GMT

Mermaid, you're probably right, it's been a while since I read that bit. I was just imagining an empty Speedo, drifting up against the lane ropes like the Marie Celeste, the occupant having vanished into thin water.:laugh2:

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:25:35 GMT

I wear mine mostly to keep the gut in. Other then that I don't really think it give me any advantage. I actually took it off the last meet near the end.

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:03:39 GMT

Ripple - I heard the theory about the gas release being responsible for ships disappearing in the Bermuda Triangle but thought it was more related to the release of Methane Gas from the earth rather than rotting seaweed. dsc.discovery.com/.../methane.html

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:47:30 GMT

You must remember I was the guy who talked about the ripple bathing suit. That was made to resemble the skin of a dolphin. That did not fly either. I have also told horse trainers to soak cabbage leaves in pure apple cider vinegar and wrap the horse's legs with it. They believed me and did it.

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:30:10 GMT

Scientists have recently discovered that a certain leafy vegetable is not only frictionless when towed through water, but the distinctive ridged patterns of its leaves actually enhances the towing speed. They have released this information just in time for Masters' Nats in the spirit of enabling equal access to this potentially record-shattering phenomenon which they have dubbed 'cabbagetation'. They recommend gluing cabbage leaves to every inch of your body and sealing the seams with Miracle Whip. Even if you don't get faster results, you've got the start of a dandy cole slaw...

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:31:08 GMT

Ripple you found me out. But no one ever knows what can happen when we look at new things. When I changed from a Jansen swim suit to a Unique suit which was made in Toronto, then to a Speedo. I think there was also a Nelson swim suit made in Australia before the Speedo.

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:23:29 GMT

One of the theories about the Bermuda Triangle is that methane bubbles suddenly burst up from rotting seaweed on the ocean floor, and when it happens under a ship it sinks, because the gas isn't dense enough to support it. So if you dove (dived?) in with your flat head swim cap and clenched fists, you might vanish mysteriously and never be seen again... :drown: At the very least, one might expect to rocket towards the bottom of the pool, striking the pool bottom, and breaking one or several bones.

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:11:56 GMT

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:17:00 GMT

There is more to this cavitation theory if we could only incorporate it into swimming we could eliminate all competition with a single action like this www.youtube.com/watch I would truly enjoy meeting you George because I am a true fan of sarcasm. You are an entertaining fellow!

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smontanaro — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:10:30 GMT

Yeah, even if it did nothing else it would probably help us weight-challenged folk avoid the jiggles. Skip

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:59:06 GMT

My guess is that George is pulling our leg. After all, he has called for a flat headed swimmer in order to make it work right. Mel you figured out the flat headed swimmer thing, but I have watched a demo by a friend and the flat headed idea is a good one. I will test the two items he suggested and will report back. This friend also suggested that the hands enter from a dive with the hands in a closed fist. This would be similar to divers diving into the water from a tower with clenched fists he thought it would produce the super cavitation bubbles. The idea is it will make bubbles that will surround the body as you swim.

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:54:58 GMT

Reading through Wikipedia's entry on supercavitation I got the distinct impression the speed of the vessel has to be above 40m/s. It will be awhile before even Michael Phelps approaches that speed. Skip My guess is that George is pulling our leg. After all, he has called for a flat headed swimmer in order to make it work right.

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:39:43 GMT

The bathing cap has to have a flat head attached so on entry it causes bubbles to surround the body. This helps the body travel faster while bubbles surround the body. The idea is the bubbles let the body move faster less water tension. The hands would also have to positioned in a way that they do not go in like an arrow they have to enter in a way to create massive amounts of bubbles also. It is theory at the momment but I have seen a mock up on this and it appears to work.

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:20:16 GMT

Super cavitation is coming to swim design and swim technique. ...This is were the super cavitation will start. Not sure I follow. I know what cavitation is in a pump, it's why I put an eccentric reducer (flat on top) into any horizontal pump suction lines when I'm designing a piping layout at work. That prevents cavitation, which is a Very Bad Thing in pumps and valves. What is it in swimming? Do we want it or not want it?

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Iwannafly — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:46:07 GMT

I would truly enjoy meeting you George because I am a true fan of sarcasm. You are an entertaining fellow!

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:02:55 GMT

Super cavitation is coming to swim design and swim technique. It will start with a new type swim cap, then to swim suits. Amazing stuff coming for sure. The start will also change, especialy the hand entry during the dive. This is were the super cavitation will start.