SDK and Pool Depth

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:31:20 GMT

Worse than this one? forums.usms.org/showthread.php - Who is Ion? Sure seems dedicated. Wonder why no one else responded.

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:45:39 GMT

I heard a story that Ion got a little combative on the forums and was shown the door.

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:38:27 GMT

Here's video of the 200 backstroke event in the Athens Olympics that clearly shows the underwater dolphin kicking after the start and turns: youtube.com/watch Awesome. I have only learned to do this (backstroke start SDK's) recently myself and watching that video gave me goosebumps!

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:13:08 GMT

On holiday in Greece some quarter century ago. There were these two German brothers (Andreas and Mattaeus; I wonder if they remember my name?) who callenged me to underwater endurance swim feats in the hotel pool. It started with half the pool, then 3/4 the pool, then to the end wall and finally to the alcove that extended beyond the end of the pool. It was quite fun with all the people lounging around suddenly having there own International swimming competition. There were many British tourists cheering for me. I swam underwater Breaststroke--I did my country proud. Hmm SDK's have helped my Breaststroke today and my Fly and overall conditioning...I say do it anyhow but check what works best in a race! Great story SwimStud/Chuck, thanks for sharing!

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:17:03 GMT

Thanks for the info I have never raced a fly race using a sideways dolphin kick :joker::joker::joker:

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:50:19 GMT

What makes you think SDK is new. It does have a new name for sure but in the late 50s I used to race free stylers by dolphin kicking 50 yards in training. Our pool was 9 feet in the deep end and 3 feet in the shallow end. Sure it is easier in a deeper shallow end but inconveniece makes for innovation. Our club had lots of 23.5, 24 second crawlers and I would race them doing dolphin kicking in workouts when we did 50s.

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:33:56 GMT

I agree with Paul Wolf. This is the worst thread ever. Give it a rest. Worse than this one? forums.usms.org/showthread.php -

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:13:57 GMT

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:50:33 GMT

Chuckster, No offense taken! There are some on this DF that think the SDK is crucial to life (or at least faster swimming), and I lead the pack! It is not for everyone, and you should try it in practice before becoming an acolyte. Welcome to the forums! Thanks O Kaptain my Kaptain!!! Have no idea what is going on, everyone here seems very bitter.

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Former Member — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:30:34 GMT

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Big AL — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:23:56 GMT

This guy swims fly and works SDK on his side.... and I did say develop and improve, not race. KLIM www.youtube.com/watch

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Big AL — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:55:57 GMT

Lots of folks do SDK on their sides. I don't think pool depth is really that critical to develop and improve your SDK.:rolleyes:

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:38:34 GMT

Dear Chuckster, Are you any relation to "Kaptain SDK"? :dunno: Sorry, who/what is, "Kaptain SDK?" I've been swimming with a team for years, looking online off/on. A few days ago I saw a post inviting people to join, and I finally got around to doing it today. Did I do something wrong? Sorry if I've offended you.

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:23:27 GMT

Dear Chuckster, Are you any relation to "Kaptain SDK"? :dunno:

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:19:21 GMT

I just don't understand why you would do butterfly kick unless you are doing the butterfly stroke. Don't each arm/leg movements have to match up together? Am I missing something? Because streamlined dolphin kicking underwater off the wall can be faster than back crawl on the surface. Backstroke only requires that you be on your back (except during turns), as long as you stay on your back you can use any kick and any pull pattern you like. Here's video of the 200 backstroke event in the Athens Olympics that clearly shows the underwater dolphin kicking after the start and turns: youtube.com/watch

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:02:01 GMT

I just don't understand why you would do butterfly kick unless you are doing the butterfly stroke. Don't each arm/leg movements have to match up together? Am I missing something?

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:49:10 GMT

You can do SDKs on your back. I am actually faster at SDKs on my back than I am on my stomach. I'm not very fast at either, but I'm just offering the information!:-) So you move both your arms together on backstroke like you do on fly?

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:26:14 GMT

Chuckster - SDK is legal and very efficient off the walls for a backstroker, if they know how to apply it. You can also use flutter kick. But I thought backstroke had to be done on your back, minus the turn? Or has that rule changed recently?

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

The Fortress — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:51:51 GMT

I agree with Paul Wolf. This is the worst thread ever. Give it a rest.

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Former Member — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:50:51 GMT

Dear "abc" What do you consider this specific depth? I practice in a pool that only has a 3.5 ft shallow end, and have found that I have to really think about my SDK (especially backstroke) on turns at this end. However, in other thread discussions on this site, no-one has ever said that you need to go much deeper than just below the top turbulence. Why would you practice dolphin/butterfly kick to train for backstroke? I thought the backstroke kick was the same as freestyle, except on your back.

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Big AL — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 05:00:00 GMT

So you move both your arms together on backstroke like you do on fly? NOooooo....:shakeshead: Check Ande's thread on the topic.... Help! My SDK is Horrible! There are video clips and stuff to get you familiar.

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Iwannafly — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:28:38 GMT

But I thought backstroke had to be done on your back, minus the turn? Or has that rule changed recently? You can do SDKs on your back. I am actually faster at SDKs on my back than I am on my stomach. I'm not very fast at either, but I'm just offering the information!:-)

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Redbird Alum — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:53:51 GMT

Why would you practice dolphin/butterfly kick to train for backstroke? I thought the backstroke kick was the same as freestyle, except on your back. Chuckster - SDK is legal and very efficient off the walls for a backstroker, if they know how to apply it. You can also use flutter kick.

RE: SDK and Pool Depth

Redbird Alum — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:41:11 GMT

... You have to be able to obtain a specific depth to engage maximum benefit from your SDK. ... Dear "abc" What do you consider this specific depth? I practice in a pool that only has a 3.5 ft shallow end, and have found that I have to really think about my SDK (especially backstroke) on turns at this end. However, in other thread discussions on this site, no-one has ever said that you need to go much deeper than just below the top turbulence.