1500 splits from two races

RE: 1500 splits from two races

Former Member — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:07:58 GMT

I was wondering about that, I thought that forum had disappeared since it says 'chris layton' now instead of 'speedo racer'. Thanks for finding it.

RE: 1500 splits from two races

knelson — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:37:36 GMT

This puts your aerobic threshold at a nice even 1:20 per hundred (well, 1:19.9 actually, but I'd say 1:20 is close enough!). Remember the thread about this? It's got some good information about how to use this information. Mine worked out to 1:08 per 100. I usually train at 1:10/100 for an aerobic pace, with forays down to 1:00 or 1:05 for "tough" stuff, so I think I'm training where I should be.

RE: 1500 splits from two races

Former Member — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:31:55 GMT

We did 2000 yards timed in practice today. I managed to keep count and note my splits every 500 at my time at 1650 500 6:30 1000 13:10 (6:40) 1500 20:00 (6:50) 1650 22:00 2000 26:38 (6:38) I was 22:00 at 1650, not too far off my race pace of 21:38.

RE: 1500 splits from two races

Former Member — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:10:24 GMT

Thanks Ande, I think I'll try starting out even slower. I see from their splits that the difference between the fastest and slowest 50 is much smaller.

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ande — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:58:00 GMT

looks to me like you should start out even easier then attempt to hold a better average pace ie go out in 38 then hold 42's your 2nd 1500 should have felt way better than your first hopefully your 3rd will be better and faster looks to me like you attempted to hold a pace faster than you really could so you fell off cruise the 1st 100 super easy then hold the same pace for the next 1300 then finish the last 100 with what ever's left find the pace you can consistently swim the 26 50s after you''ve done your first 100 keep all the times within 0.25 - 0.50 look at how consistent these guys are 1 Vendt, Erik K 27 Club Wolverine-M 14:57.01 14:47.59#OLY 26.56 29.04 29.41 29.26 29.37 29.31 29.46 29.52 29.44 29.59 29.62 29.52 29.75 29.63 29.82 29.61 29.67 29.68 29.80 29.73 29.96 29.95 30.11 30.07 30.43 30.31 30.27 30.48 30.17 28.05 2 La Tourette, Ch 19 Mission Viejo Na 15:00.26 15:03.59POLY 27.23 29.74 30.14 30.34 30.44 30.55 30.64 30.62 30.26 30.17 30.11 30.02 30.09 30.06 30.22 30.29 30.40 30.22 30.33 30.24 30.25 30.35 30.46 30.42 30.22 30.27 30.26 30.26 30.13 28.86 3 Crippen, Fran E 23 Mission Viejo Na 15:29.79 15:20.74POLY 28.50 30.67 30.91 30.85 31.06 30.97 31.20 31.05 31.05 30.97 31.05 30.86 30.97 30.78 30.98 30.81 30.70 30.77 30.85 30.75 30.96 30.65 30.82 30.75 30.63 30.38 30.56 30.21 30.30 29.73 I swam the 1500 (SCM) about 10 weeks apart and ended with almost identical times (0.35 faster today) in spite of the training I've been doing in the meantime. In today's race I followed a strategy of intentionally going slower at the beginning. Maybe I've hit my peak for my age. Somewhere after 1000 meters I remember thinking "I am never swimming this race again". We'll see! leg 11/07 2/08 1 34.46 0:36.84 2 38.04 0:40.07 3 39.88 0:42.98 4 40.54 0:42.62 5 41.63 0:42.31 6 41.93 0:42.39 7 42.64 0:42.49 8 42.96 0:43.44 9 42.78 0:43.76 10 43.19 0:43.75 11 43.19 0:43.31 12 43.68 0:43.16 13 44.57 0:43.95 14 44.16 0:43.62 15 44.47 0:43.95 16 43.81 0:43.49 17 44.47 0:44.00 18 45.17 0:44.00 19 44.01 0:44.93 20 45.97 0:44.00 21 45.59 0:44.36 22 44.08 0:44.72 23 45.32 0:44.40 24 45.56 0:45.10 25 45.58 0:44.89 26 44.29 0:44.81 27 44.36 0:45.06 28 45.93 0:44.75 29 44.29 0:43.50 30 42.65 0:38.05 cumulative leg 11/07 2/08 1 34.46 36.84 2 1:12.50 1:16.92 3 1:52.38 1:59.91 4 2:32.92 2:42.53 5 3:14.55 3:24.85 6 3:56.48 4:07.24 7 4:39.12 4:49.73 8 5:22.08 5:33.18 9 6:04.86 6:16.95 10 6:48.05 7:00.71 11 7:31.24 7:44.02 12 8:14.92 8:27.18 13 8:59.49 9:11.14 14 9:43.65 9:54.77 15 10:28.12 10:38.72 16 11:11.93 11:22.21 17 11:56.40 12:06.22 18 12:41.57 12:50.23 19 13:25.58 13:35.17 20 14:11.55 14:19.17 21 14:57.14 15:03.53 22 15:41.22 15:48.25 23 16:26.54 16:32.66 24 17:12.10 17:17.76 25 17:57.68 18:02.65 26 18:41.97 18:47.47 27 19:26.33 19:32.54 28 20:12.26 20:17.29 29 20:56.55 21:00.79 30 21:39.20 21:38.85

RE: 1500 splits from two races

Former Member — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:50:37 GMT

Train at race pace 5 x 100 with 10sec, then rest 30 sec and repeat 5 x 100 up to 4 or 5 times.

RE: 1500 splits from two races

Former Member — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:39:29 GMT

David I think you would have had a much improved time if you had gone out faster. You must have felt very strong for your last 50. A great last 50. Set the time you want to do for the 1500 then do your 100 repeats with a ten second rest. 1:20 would give you a 20min 1500m

RE: 1500 splits from two races

Former Member — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:24:10 GMT

What I'm hoping for is something more like a 1 minute time drop. I think what I'll do is start swimming on saturdays again (on my own) and work on specific distance sets like 16x100 (yards) on 1:30. I actually did that set 1 week before my meet in november, on the advice of a triathlon coach, and I think it helped. I didn't do it this time around.

RE: 1500 splits from two races

knelson — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:33:54 GMT

Maybe I've hit my peak for my age. No way, you'll get faster. I think in November you probably pushed it a little too hard going out and today you held off a little too much. The fact your last 50 was more than five seconds faster than what you were holding before that says you had quite a bit left in the tank. Oh, and sorry I screwed up your count once in the teens somewhere! I think I inadvertently flipped the counter back instead of forward. Anyway, I realized I screwed up pretty quickly. Oops. Maybe I was thinking about my race too much! :)

RE: 1500 splits from two races

knelson — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:42:48 GMT

16x100 on 1:30 might be a little hard to start with. Probably not since he's training yards and his race was meters.

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knelson — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:35:09 GMT

Sets like this will probably help. I think you just need to develop more confidence in your pacing. My feeling is maybe yesterday you took a look at the clock early on and decided "uh oh, I better slow down a little." Maybe you really didn't need to slow down. As you swim distance more you'll get a feel for what pace you can maintain and this is a function of how your body feels, not what the clock reads. Personally, I rarely look at the clock or want someone to give me signals about my pace. I know not everyone feels the same way, but I feel like if I'm going too slow I probably already know it and there's very little I can do to speed up. Conversely, if I'm going fast it's probably because I'm feeling good and can go that fast. It ain't perfect. I still have races where I think my pace is good and then the piano hits in the back half, but I think the more you swim distance events the less this will happen. Well, yeah, you need to be in good shape, too!

RE: 1500 splits from two races

Former Member — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:44:48 GMT

ourswimmer: I think I'll have a chance again at a meet or two in march (1650 or 1500, not sure) but I may skip those meets and concentrate on PNA zone championships in April. I didn't consciously speed it up until the last 50 when I saw the clock was right about at 21:00 and the math was simple enough that I realized I'd better go faster if I didn't want a slower time than last time.

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Jim Clemmons — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:57:45 GMT

I didn't consciously speed it up until the last 50 when I saw the clock was right about at 21:00 and the math was simple enough that I realized I'd better go faster if I didn't want a slower time than last time. You just need to apply the "pressure" a little earlier on, say around 400 to go but kinda like putting your foot down on the gas pedal - there's a couple of different ways of doing so. You can push down lightly or you can stomp on it. It appears you stomped on yours with a 50 to go. Try the lighter method next time but much earlier.

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Muppet — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:21:26 GMT

I think the fact that you went from 11.5 seconds between slowest and fastest 50s to 8.3 seconds shows a pretty marked improvement since your last 1500. One thing I noticed is your 1200-1350 times started slowing up ... that is just about the time to start warming up the afterburners.

RE: 1500 splits from two races

ourswimmer — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:49:54 GMT

Somewhere after 1000 meters I remember thinking "I am never swimming this race again". We'll see! I pretty much always think that, yet I swim it nearly every chance I get. The trouble is, chances to race long events don't come along often enough to get real practice at pacing them. When's your next chance to do it again? You stayed 4-5 seconds behind last fall's race every. single. 50. until the very last one. Where did you consciously ratchet it up? What if you'd started your push 100m earlier?