Eamon Sullivan breaks Popov's 50m record!

RE: Eamon Sullivan breaks Popov's 50m record!

Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:33:30 GMT

Wow a guy drops a portion of a second he has to be a cheater by some opinions. I think they must be on drugs??? I don't mean Sullivan. Outrageous? It seems like whenever someone swims well these days someone else has to accuse them of cheating. By all accounts Sullivan has always been an athlete with lots of potential. Maybe now that he's healthy he's finally realized that potential. I see no reason to assume that Sullivan is a drug cheat. This is a kid just reaching his prime.

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:28:12 GMT

Gary's concerns are legitimate. He has made no formal or direct accusations. We live in a different world now. Sports Illustrated Article: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.../index.html John Smith

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:58:41 GMT

I guess we will soon find out who will be fastest in the 50 at the Olympics. Whether the mouth is better in the pool or the swimmer.

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:37:57 GMT

I applaud and embrace Gary Hall Jr. for having the brass to stand up and question this outrageous time drop. I have had a few hip replacements and I speak from experience when I say, it defies logic, reason and belief that Eamon is clean. Possible? Yes! Plausible? Hardly! Now we see open, forthright questioning of these illogical performances possibly being silenced through legal action. If my memory is not failing me—didn’t Marion Jones bring suit against the Balco for saying she was dirty? Heck, she went after him like a freight train only to be exposed years later for being a low down cheat. Gary, keep the questions coming---we need more “reason” then nonsense in sports these days. Paul, thank you for your common sense post---

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:06:08 GMT

Paul, thanks for the links to all the comments and articles....some very interesting points brought forward. And even though I still believe these people to be clean (Sullivan, Alain, Torres)....it does raise the ultimate question about this......What are they all doing thatothers aren't? I would like to know so I could pass it on to the kids I coach if it's all legal!!!!:2cents:

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:31:30 GMT

Swim fast - he must have cheated??? Did he go to the mountains for alltitude training or did he use a machine at sea level. www.hypoxico.com/ Should everyone who does altitude training be called cheaters? Maybe blood doping www.copacabanarunners.net/i-epo.html

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:45:06 GMT

If Phelps didn't have a known history of incredibly fast swimming in nearly every event...he'd be put under some serious scrutiny. And on the other side of the coin....those without past portfolio who flirt with new time standards are placed in doubt. Since most of this chemical performance enhancing stuff flies under the radar there's really no way to tell. Sadly this undermines the legitimate performances with clouds of skepticism. It's got to be tough for those who compete fairly.

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Paul Smith — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:28:09 GMT

Just to be clear, I copied Gary's post from his Race Club website. You can read the whole discussion here: www.theraceclub.net/.../viewtopic.php Another interesting discussion about the Sports Illustrated gene doping: www.theraceclub.net/.../viewtopic.php sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.../ I'm not sure what to think about Eamon's swim, in general my skepticism over drug use is tied to 2 things; physical transformations that defy logic and athletic perfromances that defy logic...in Eamon's case he certainly has the talent to swim that fast BUT it is a major breakthrough...however there appears to be no change in his physical traits. Like I said, the days of not questioning ANY major athletic performance/breakthrough are and should be gone until some reliable form of testing can be found...which is probably never.

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knelson — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:25:06 GMT

I applaud and embrace Gary Hall Jr. for having the brass to stand up and question this outrageous time drop. I have had a few hip replacements and I speak from experience when I say, it defies logic, reason and belief that Eamon is clean. Outrageous? It seems like whenever someone swims well these days someone else has to accuse them of cheating. By all accounts Sullivan has always been an athlete with lots of potential. Maybe now that he's healthy he's finally realized that potential. I see no reason to assume that Sullivan is a drug cheat. This is a kid just reaching his prime.

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Paul Smith — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:21:02 GMT

Gary Hall is apparently being sued by Eamon for comments he made questioning the performance: _______________________________________________________ Gary Hall Jr. Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 572 Location: Sunny Florida Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So if you haven't seen or heard already here are some links that will bring you up to speed. www.timedfinals.com/.../ swimnews.com/.../displayStory.jhtml www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/.../17486.asp www.deckpass.com/.../ www.timedfinals.com/.../ www.timedfinals.com/.../ Everybody that swims fast is suspected of doping these days. I have pointed out very clearly that it has everything to do with the amount of cheating that has gone on in sports, and not the fault of the athletes performing well on their own. Having Grant Hackett and Alan Thompson run to your side screaming absurdities does not help Eamon in my opinion, or his argument. They absolutely freaked out. As well as I think I know everyone on the US team I can’t be 100% certain that every one of them is clean. I don’t think that it’s possible for Grant or Alan to know 100% either that Eamon is clean. Craig Lord points out, actually backs up with some pretty convincing numbers, that there is more reason to doubt Eamon’s performance than the average fast swimmer. It’s a pretty solid argument from a guy who is much more articulate than I, and as a guy from the UK an unbiased view. So, I am asking everyone here, especially those defending Eamon, what is he doing better than everyone else in the world? I’d like to keep myself out of the argument, though I realize that may not be possible at this point since I'm supposedly being sued. Eamon is blowing away Schoeman, Texas guys, American guys, European guys, young guys, injury free guys that have put more than a couple of injury free seasons together, guys that have a lot more international race experience, yes old guys like me too, guys from well established swim programs that have produced many champions, etc., etc., etc… Is his technique flawless? You can find it on YouTube. www.youtube.com/watch www.youtube.com/watch Maybe it was the two weeks of altitude training? It’s hardly innovative. I’m sure the three hip surgeries couldn’t have helped. By his own admission the sprints are determined by “fraction of a second” “fingernails separate first to last”. He just dropped nearly a half second and beat VERY fast guys by a body length. How do you explain it? At 22 he would be a post grad swimmer in the US. Established programs here in the US like Texas, Auburn, Arizona, Marsh, Salo, Bottom, have their swimmers pretty well established before they graduate, maybe not peaked, but definitely a lot more established than Eamon has been in previous years. I am not about to bash his coach because I don’t know him at all and that is also reason to raise an eyebrow. Is this Stoelwinder (sp?) guy THAT much better than Touretski, Salo, DeMont, Reese, Marsh, Kenny or Bottom that he was able to take a 6′0 guy with three bad hips and drop him to a 21.5? Has he produced any other top level swimmers? I am asking here because I don’t know. Drops are consistent for most clean athletes. While the drops are larger for swimmers like Michael Phelps and Katie Hoff their drops are consistent all the same. Not so with Eamon, or Bernard. These same questions can be asked of Alain as well. He went from a 22.3 to a 21.7? I am NOT saying that I don’t believe that the time 21.5 is impossible. It’s now been done and all of us are a little bit curious, how does a 22 year old with three hip surgeries, drop a half a second in the 50 free, unrested? Some insight into how he is training, what he is doing different from every other sprint program in the world might ease some of those suspicious minds, in a way that “I have been drug tested!” never will. We all know that the cheaters are WAAAAAY ahead of the testers. _________________ Your friend in swimming, Gary Hall Jr. Long live the Race Club!

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:50:15 GMT

What a bunch of fishers. Why should he tell anyone about his secrets? Then everyone will be as fast. It is like the football coach who steals signals. I am getting ill reading some of this stuff. Maybe he took a TI course.

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:55:12 GMT

I agree, Eamon should give his competition detailed information on how he achieved his improvements. Preferably in time for them to use them against him at the Olympics. :agree: Strange that someone in the latest Speedo LZR suit swimming 0.09sec under a record set by someone wearing a regular brief is considered suspicious. I guess not everyone believes in the latest Speedo products.

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:46:09 GMT

I being an eternal optimist believe him to be clean......but honestly, the discussion does raise some interesting questions.....

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:26:50 GMT

The Smith's said it better then I can---

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Iwannafly — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:08:27 GMT

There are still differences in physical talent that training cannot compensate for. We (and I use the 'we' in the most liberal sense of the work) train to fulfill our physical potential and minimize the mistakes that make the difference between winning and losing. Perhaps Eamon changed physically as a result of maturation and that change happened relatively quickly. It's not unreasonable for a 21 or 22 year old male to still grow and gain strength. Perhaps he is just that more talented than those who came before him (as unlikely as that is). I don't know one way or the other about Eamon Sullivan, but it is sad to me that athletic achievements are viewed with such skepticism. I enjoy watching a lot of sports. But if I thought that every time a record was broken, or someone had a great achievement, there was cheating involved, I would not be inclined to watch any more. So, for now, I will remain blissfully naive and enjoy every moment of the Olympics and whatever other sporting event I am watching.

RE: Eamon Sullivan breaks Popov's 50m record!

Former Member — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:07:25 GMT

At least I have. That video has been listed for nearly fourteen months.

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Former Member — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:27:51 GMT

We have watched it many times. We did?

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Former Member — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:30:21 GMT

Has anyone watched this video of Popov before? It's very good, and it seems there are elements of both Nystrand and Sullivan in the video. There is one scene where Popov is doing a drill with a snorkel, freestyle with dolphin kick, and it is so smooth... Yes though, without a doubt EDF video.google.ca/videoplay We have watched it many times.

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Former Member — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:17:17 GMT

RE: Eamon Sullivan breaks Popov's 50m record!

Former Member — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:54:39 GMT

Could it be that the arm insweep achieves an "Early Diagonal Forearm" position more quickly than one can get to an EVF, but yields the same increased surface area? Plus EDF puts the arm is in a more powerful position when close to the body? It certainly feels that way. Also, it seems easier to increase the rating this way, plus it helps with the finish, etc. After watching Popov more closely it appears that he also was doing the EDF stroke to a good degree...

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Allen Stark — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:36:48 GMT

EDF also gives you the potential to whip you hand past your elbow for more hand speed (where as with EVF the hand and elbow move at the same speed for more of the pull.)

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Former Member — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:01:54 GMT

It was hard to tell from these video's, but it doesn't appear that Klim is doing the same in-sweep as Nystrand or Sullivan. Anyone have more of Klim underwater? Although, Klim's kick is incredible!!! This video should be added to the kicking thread...

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Former Member — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:43:45 GMT

Don't forget the body is also rolling and both arms are doing a slightly different action. What you think you see may not be what you think it is.

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Matulaitis — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:38:49 GMT

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Former Member — Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:18:38 GMT

One hundred from above video.google.ca/videoplay video.google.ca/videoplay video.google.ca/videoplay Popov video.google.ca/videoplay video.google.ca/videoplay It was hard to tell from these video's, but it doesn't appear that Klim is doing the same in-sweep as Nystrand or Sullivan. Anyone have more of Klim underwater?