LZR

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ande — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:11:50 GMT

many swimmers tried on LZR's at the meet I noticed several swimmers had zipper issues on the hineck LZRs they wore where they pulled the zipper slider up then zipper chain came apart beneath the slider www.zippersource.com/.../definitions.asp I helped 2 swimmers who's zipper chains came apart, I muscle the zipper slide back to the BRIDGE STOP if you order one be careful on sizes swimmers tended best fit smaller sizes I put on a pair of LZR leg skins but couldn't pull them up high enough and felt water come between the suit and my backside when I dove in

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Former Member — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:16:04 GMT

Did any of these suits ever win a race without a great swimmer in the suit. nice thought. well i could see a horrible swimmer winning last night at our Last Chance Meet. their were 10 heats, top 2 in each heat medal. the slowest heat for the 50 yard free was won by a 34 and 35. they could win and be pathertic. Also i hate that style of relay because then you get the "B***h" spot where youd smoke the prior heat and get gold but instead you get last in your heat and look bad to the spectators as well.

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Former Member — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:56:43 GMT

We can now get sprayed on tans, will we be able to wear sprayed on swim wear. I think it would be a great idea if it could be done and not be too revealing.

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Former Member — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:07:46 GMT

I heard that, in his 1500 in Missouri, Tom Koucheravy's LZR suit "blew up like a parachute" and he didn't finish the race. I heard something similar happened to VanderKaay's suit as well. Makes you wonder whether the suit technology is really perfected ... Keep in mind that the 1500 was during Session 7, the last session, of the meet. And that most of those LZR suits were "loaners." Speedo was loaning them to swimmers to wear during their races. I know this because one of my teammates has two daughters who both swam in the meet. They put themselves on the "loaner" list but I don't think they got lucky enough to actually wear one of the suits. At least they weren't wearing them the day I was at the meet. I would guess that the loaner LZR suits took a beating, after being repeatedly put on and taken off by many different swimmers. Anna Lea

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BillS — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:11:30 GMT

We can now get sprayed on tans, will we be able to wear sprayed on swim wear. I think it would be a great idea if it could be done and not be too revealing. Sports Illustrated has been doing this for years in the annual swimsuit issue, although the suits are handpainted as opposed to sprayed on. Works for me. At least for the women. Guys, not so much.

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knelson — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:18:47 GMT

I would guess that the loaner LZR suits took a beating, after being repeatedly put on and taken off by many different swimmers. Yuck. I think I'd stick with my "slow" suit rather than wear a suit several other people had used!

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The Fortress — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:56:01 GMT

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ande — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:49:30 GMT

what a disaster it sure would suck if a shoe-in-swimmer had an equipment failure at Olympic Trials and failed to make the olympic squad because of that. legskins or jammers might be a safer bet than a body suit maybe double sided tape Ande I heard that, in his 1500 in Missouri, Tom Koucheravy's LZR suit "blew up like a parachute" and he didn't finish the race. I heard something similar happened to VanderKaay's suit as well. Makes you wonder whether the suit technology is really perfected ...

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Former Member — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:40:23 GMT

Even baseball players wear LZR swim wear. One of the worlds fastest pitchers likes them. www.slashgear.com/world-fastest-swimmer-crowned-member-of-speedo-lzr-racer-1910326.php

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Former Member — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:22:02 GMT

I wonder for just 120$ can you get a LZR racer brief? Cause the seams do look pretty cool (the only feature I actually like)..

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knelson — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:53:38 GMT

I wonder for just 120$ can you get a LZR racer brief? Cause the seams do look pretty cool (the only feature I actually like).. Only $120? Here's the thing. If you believe these suits really do work as advertised, then shouldn't you cover as much of your body as possible? Buying a brief seems like a waste of money to me.

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Former Member — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:16:12 GMT

Did any of these suits ever win a race without a great swimmer in the suit.

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Iwannafly — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:02:21 GMT

To accurately measure buoyancy, across different fabrics and designs, the material has to be saturated with water. If I throw my dry suit into the water, it floats initially. As it saturates, it sinks. Some fabrics retain air bubbles much more effectively than others. My Aquablade retains air bubbles for a minute or so after I jump in the water where my training suit saturates almost instantly. The buoyancy from air bubbles trapped in the fabric is fairly inconsequential compared with the buoyancy (or lack thereof) of the swimmer when you look at a jammer or a brief, but a whole body-suit with trapped air bubbles could indeed make a buoyancy difference. I have a very difficult time believing that a technical suit reduces the drag over the bare skin of a swimmer in an amount significant enough for a .09 second drop. I don't know enough about human kinesiology and physiology to quantify the effects of compression on muscles. Perhaps that effect could make a difference that big. I know that I swim just as fast in my training suit as I do in my racing jammer. But that's probably because I'm not a great swimmer.

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knelson — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:19:07 GMT

No, you're wrong about the rule. The suit can't be buoyant. Now how they test for buoyancy I don't know. These suits are buoyant when dry. However there's no rule against a suit reducing drag and that's the stated advantage of these suits by the manufacturers.

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art_z — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:16:23 GMT

FINA has declared them legal,even though by FINA rules they either don't do what they are supposed to do,or they should be illegal by FINA's rules. i.e., Speedo and its competitors threw a bunch of money at FINA and said "look the other way". not stating this as fact, but I could see this happening all too easily.

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Allen Stark — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:00:57 GMT

if the suits work as advertised, aren't they illegal? I know that has been beat to death on many swimming forums, but that is the elephant in the room. you aren't allowed to wear suits that make you faster. FINA has declared them legal,even though by FINA rules they either don't do what they are supposed to do,or they should be illegal by FINA's rules.

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Muppet — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:20:23 GMT

Only $120? Here's the thing. If you believe these suits really do work as advertised, then shouldn't you cover as much of your body as possible? Buying a brief seems like a waste of money to me. Right... I think that a lot of the benefits of these new tech suits come from the compression provided - not just the fabrics. For people like myself with some pretty large muscular legs, the compression is pretty helpful not only with channeling muscle energy together but also in creating a more streamlined leg surface by effectively giving me skinnier legs.

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art_z — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:15:01 GMT

Only $120? Here's the thing. If you believe these suits really do work as advertised, then shouldn't you cover as much of your body as possible? Buying a brief seems like a waste of money to me. if the suits work as advertised, aren't they illegal? I know that has been beat to death on many swimming forums, but that is the elephant in the room. you aren't allowed to wear suits that make you faster.

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Former Member — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:18:20 GMT

improving their performance, rather than deciding what suit to wear. I can see both sides. This is one sport which for the most part is not dominated by equipment - you have a suit and goggles and maybe a cap, and other than that you just swim. Compare that to cycling. On the other hand if someone had already done the things you mentioned (training, nutrition, etc) then I can see where they'd want the advantage of a specialized suit to get any final performance improvement. In my case, I'm so far from having optimized my training and nutrition that I don't see the point in spending a lot of money on a fancy suit. Some people like to be fashionable too, don't forget that aspect!

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knelson — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:37:55 GMT

Yeah, it looks like Speedo may have some technical issues to work out :)

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Allen Stark — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:20:10 GMT

Maybe he should have sponsor patches like a NASCAR racer.

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Former Member — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:41:41 GMT

actually the light panel is a "fashion addition" from Comme des Garcon. Looks totally out of place on the suit, and I think the whole idea of fashion patches on a racing suit is a little ridiculous. not to mention garcon's cut of the $550. maybe without the light splotch it would be only $500? :P

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art_z — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:34:59 GMT

Maybe he should have sponsor patches like a NASCAR racer. you know its only a matter of time. the day I rely on a suit to make me go faster is the day I give up the sport. Having both won, and lost, races over the years by .02 of a second or less, I realize that you go for every advantage you can. Maybe I'm being a Luddite, but I think swimming was better off when people concentrated on stroke technique, nutrition, and training regimens in improving their performance, rather than deciding what suit to wear.

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Former Member — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:02:39 GMT

Ha! Here's a photo of Phelps's "certified pre-owned" suit, from last night's 200 Free prelims. Through the binoculars it looked like certain sections of the suit must be composed of a double layer of fabric. If you look at his right leg, you'll see an area that is very light-colored. My guess is that the top layer of fabric tore off, leaving only the under-layer. Anna Lea He looks like tron, except black.

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Former Member — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 06:36:16 GMT