How much does a good kick contribute?

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

ande — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:28:39 GMT

sorry to read this adjust for injuries ande Paul Smith warned me about this, but mega kicking is definitely hard on loose ankles. Lots of flutter kicking apparently doesn't agree with me, whereas SDKs don't seem to bother me. Maybe it's because SDKs use the core and hips. In any event, I have to cut back. Who cares about freestyle anyway? My left ankle hurts and I have tendonitis in my right foot where I dropped my monofin on it while ago. Not advisable! (To top it off, I have the flu despite getting the flu mist. :bitching:) Didn't mean to rant. But wanted to warn of the hazards of excess kicking.

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

Former Member — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:04:30 GMT

No, they're fabulous and fun for training. You just have to not be a careless klutz. Yes, do be careful... even on those ankle stretches... you don't want to over-do it... they can become injured... (years of experience) It's better to stretch them every 2nd day, or even every 3rd day... and just the right balance, not too much... On another note... what happened to your infra-red avatar? I thought that was totally cool.

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

The Fortress — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:09:06 GMT

One more way to get injured or inflict an injury with those things. They sound like trouble to me. No, they're fabulous and fun for training. You just have to not be a careless klutz.

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

funkyfish — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:53:19 GMT

On another note... what happened to your infra-red avatar? I thought that was totally cool. I don't know…I think Olivia is way-cool as well! :bouncing:

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

Former Member — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:15:58 GMT

I dropped my monofin on it while ago. One more way to get injured or inflict an injury with those things. They sound like trouble to me.

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

The Fortress — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:49:03 GMT

Paul Smith warned me about this, but mega kicking is definitely hard on loose ankles. Lots of flutter kicking apparently doesn't agree with me, whereas SDKs don't seem to bother me. Maybe it's because SDKs use the core and hips. In any event, I have to cut back. Who cares about freestyle anyway? My left ankle hurts and I have tendonitis in my right foot where I dropped my monofin on it while ago. Not advisable! (To top it off, I have the flu despite getting the flu mist. :bitching:) Didn't mean to rant. But wanted to warn of the hazards of excess kicking.

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

Former Member — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:57:51 GMT

Full (K)nelson? hahaha Actually Kirk may be ready to ink the first poem on this year's St Val's thread...Wookie could be right behind. Seriously guys this is a forum about swimming...let's keep it that way.... :thhbbb:

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

Former Member — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:56:34 GMT

Full (K)nelson?

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

Former Member — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:30:42 GMT

yeah right here on the USMS boards a smack down trash talk bring out your inner pro wrestler personas and get after it Yeah but knelson needs a much better forum nickname to sound like a wrestler... (S)he-Man already has it covered...

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

Former Member — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:21:47 GMT

You know...this is way off topic but dang, we have some beautiful women on this forum... Ok, back to kicking. I have gone back and fourth on this issue. I believe that kicking done right,which as Jonathon says, tied to the body rotation, does add speed. How much...who really knows. Also, I was watching a video of Roland Schoeman swim the other night. For a while, I believed that a tight,narrow kick was better. I noticed that his kick was big but still within the cylinder of his body. So for kicks, I widen my kick a bit and noticed it added in better rotation, less effort and felt easier. So, a too wide a kick is not good as it results in drag but a too narrow kick is just as bad because it doesn't add in rotation and makes you work a lot harder than one needs.

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

Former Member — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:52:30 GMT

Gentleman I admit it have no shame... And for the record I look fantastic in a tutu! What's a tutu? Is that like a grass skirt or something? On another note, sorry folks I've not been writing much lately, I did get the flu... I read about y'all getting it, and I was hoping I could avoid it, but alas, it didn't work out that way... I'm just glad it's now instead of right before my taper meet, like last season... I was literally coughing during the 100 IM, on the freestyle leg... cough/gasp/pull, this could be a new event.. Anyways, As far as the kicking discussion... We all know that the kick is an important part of swimming. However, it's the timing of the kick, and over-all body co-ordination with this kicking that is crucial for maintaining higher speeds. Poor timing could be in large part due to limited range of motion. So yes, kick hard and smarter.

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

funkyfish — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:57:28 GMT

Yeah but knelson needs a much better forum nickname to sound like a wrestler... (S)He-Man already has it covered... How about "knelson hold"? As in, full-nelson, half-nelson? Get it? Eh…never mind. Matteo just beat me to it. :groovy:

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

The Fortress — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:56:02 GMT

OK, consider this me virtually spitting in (S)he-Man's lane: hock-tooey! I plan to virtually smash (S)he-Man like a guitar! :thhbbb: That's a little better. Now, don't let up or I'll whack you with my monofin.

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

knelson — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:52:51 GMT

If this is going to happen, then we need some smack talk. You two are MUCH too nice to each other...it isn't a GRUDGE match unless blood flows prior to the actual swim. :duel: OK, consider this me virtually spitting in (S)he-Man's lane: hock-tooey! I plan to virtually smash (S)he-Man like a guitar! :thhbbb:

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

ande — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:25:13 GMT

yeah right here on the USMS boards a smack down trash talk bring out your inner pro wrestler personas and get after it If this is going to happen, then we need some smack talk. You two are MUCH too nice to each other...it isn't a GRUDGE match unless blood flows prior to the actual swim. :duel:

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

ande — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:23:02 GMT

hey buddy get well feel better sooner rather than later ande What's a tutu? Is that like a grass skirt or something? On another note, sorry folks I've not been writing much lately, I did get the flu... I read about y'all getting it, and I was hoping I could avoid it, but alas, it didn't work out that way... I'm just glad it's now instead of right before my taper meet, like last season... I was literally coughing during the 100 IM, on the freestyle leg... cough/gasp/pull, this could be a new event.. Anyways, As far as the kicking discussion... We all know that the kick is an important part of swimming. However, it's the timing of the kick, and over-all body co-ordination with this kicking that is crucial for maintaining higher speeds. Poor timing could be in large part due to limited range of motion. So yes, kick hard and smarter.

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

The Fortress — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:19:30 GMT

6'6" actually.....and yes i am waiting for my invite to dancing with the stars! Fort...periodization is the key to answer your question. At this stage in my training I'm doing longer swims/sets with little rest....same for kicking. Soon I will move into much harder interval training...then begin a quality phase where I'll be getting a lot more rest. I would however say that even during early season training its important to get some very fast swimming/kicking in with lots of rest 1-2x a week. Geez. Do you think you could tower over me a little more? No wonder no one wants you in their lane. :P I did my 8 x 200 kick the other day. Ouch. What about broken 100 shooters? Would that be good training for the 100 fly? I seriously agree with Chris on the grudge match issue. I'm really looking forward to the next time I get to destroy Muppet in the 50 fly.

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

Chris Stevenson — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:16:25 GMT

Against my better judgment, I'll take you up on the grudge match. If this is going to happen, then we need some smack talk. You two are MUCH too nice to each other...it isn't a GRUDGE match unless blood flows prior to the actual swim. :duel:

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

Paul Smith — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:15:00 GMT

:lmao::lmao: Think 6'4" ballerina. I've been doing the ballerina sculls. They really do work the forearms and hands. I'm much better at them with a little practice. If one is doing a hypoxic kick set such as shooters, is it better to do a boatload of them on a comfortable interval? Or do 10 or so with very little rest, take a break and do more? Or alternate? Oh, sorry about the flu. Sux. 6'6" actually.....and yes i am waiting for my invite to dancing with the stars! Fort...periodization is the key to answer your question. At this stage in my training I'm doing longer swims/sets with little rest....same for kicking. Soon I will move into much harder interval training...then begin a quality phase where I'll be getting a lot more rest. I would however say that even during early season training its important to get some very fast swimming/kicking in with lots of rest 1-2x a week.

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

The Fortress — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:57:07 GMT

What's a tutu? :lmao::lmao: Think 6'4" ballerina. I've been doing the ballerina sculls. They really do work the forearms and hands. I'm much better at them with a little practice. If one is doing a hypoxic kick set such as shooters, is it better to do a boatload of them on a comfortable interval? Or do 10 or so with very little rest, take a break and do more? Or alternate? Oh, sorry about the flu. Sux.

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

pwolf66 — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:20:01 GMT

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

pwolf66 — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:09:39 GMT

No, they reseeded the 500 after positive check-in and well after the heat sheets were created on Friday night. I'm 40. So, yes, that was me beside you in the 500. Here are the results: www.ncmasters.org/138-01res.pdf Whew, them's some fast 40-44M. Yikes. Makes me glad I'm not there. Paul

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

Former Member — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:42:00 GMT

Ok, I guess I'm not going to post for a while until this flu thing on the forum goes away. I had it last year, didn't think that was enough, so I drug it over to full-blown pneumonia. I always wondered where I contracted it from. Seriously though, hope you get to feeling better. Thanks, still going to swim though...

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

Former Member — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:50:13 GMT

I just found this one again so thought I would post it again. Swimming a combination of all of theses things. wings.avkids.com/.../swimming-01.html

RE: How much does a good kick contribute?

Former Member — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:18:37 GMT

Hey, when is the next time I can smash you into oblivion? I'm not wasting an event on evilstroke at colonies zones. With my macho forearms from ballerina sculling, I'll smoke you LC. You just get adjacent lanes and you'll be all fogged up at the goggles by the sight of me you won't even know if you're in the water or not... besides...I'm making gains all the time... :p