Marion Jones Cheater!

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:03:14 GMT

It's a tragic tale. Her life will improve if she choses to be honest in more things from now on.

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:06:46 GMT

Stillhere - Don't bet your house on it you may have to sleep in your car.

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:51:18 GMT

Purity in sports--Are you kidding. There has never been purity in sports. Atheletes and society demand it. The only reason the Olympics are "nonprofessional" s because the Great Britian Olympic movement had a lot of money and influence when the modern Olympics were developed. It has nothig to do with purity.... Craig, I honestly believe that purity does exist in sports. Look at the volumes of clean age group, college and Olympic swimmers. I know of one great USA Olympic Gold Medal Swimmer that I would bet my life on her being 100 % clean. The drug cheaters have made us all skepitics and that is a sad commentary unto itself.

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Rob Copeland — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:12:15 GMT

Is anyone else wondering how this ended up being so popular in the "General Swimming Related Discussions," when Ande had posted this in the NSR thread prior? :dunno: :dedhorse:Good point. This thread is closed. Please feel free to comment on the NSR thread forums.usms.org/showthread.php

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Muppet — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:49:39 GMT

Is anyone else wondering how this ended up being so popular in the "General Swimming Related Discussions," when Ande had posted this in the NSR thread prior? :dunno: :dedhorse:

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

The Fortress — Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:28:57 GMT

She was not caught, is there any drug test that said she was cheating. If there was I have not seen the report. Heresay evidence is not proof. We are not talking hearsay, George. She admits to taking steroids. And she tested postitive for EPO on an A sample in 2004, I believe. But I agree with VB, "er, flaxseed oil?!?!" Those athletes know what they put in their body. She is guilty of more than just outright lying. She's practically surrounded herself with and embraced drug users and drug coaches for years. Here's a column from Sally Jenkins whose thoughts/writing I usually admire. But I don't agree with her conclusion on this article. www.washingtonpost.com/.../AR2007100502488.html

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:18:18 GMT

Sorry I mentioned politics I took off my post. Flax seed oil, reminds of the days when I took Wheat Germ Oil. It was our wonder drug.

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Former Member — Sun, 07 Oct 2007 07:04:22 GMT

There are a lot of things Carl Lewis wants to be kept a secret. He is probably one of the most dishonest people, especially with his own life.

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:29:05 GMT

3strokes I have a name change suggestion, you are a funny guy,:groovy::groovy::groovy: should you not change your name to 3jokes

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:20:20 GMT

I am really not infavour of this kind of cheating, it is that everyone has the right to a level playing field. I think the responsibilty for drugging should be with each team. If any one from a any country is caught, everyone from that nation should be disqualified for a year. It would clean up the situation fast.

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:47:47 GMT

The Canadian press sent investigative reporters to check on the USA association and blaimed the problem on the US drug testing and hiding the test results. I will search it out and let you have the report. It does mention Carl Lewis. No this did not come from Ben Johson. I had posted the report before about 2 years ago. Cover up www.smh.com.au/.../1050172709693.html opps another one irs.sagepub.com/.../167

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:44:37 GMT

I personally do not think Marion was cheating. I think she was just keeping up with the Joneses. Is it cheating when you do exactly what everyone else does in your event does. All sport are full of druggies. The person who is a proven cheater wants the medals. She was not caught, is there any drug test that said she was cheating. If there was I have not seen the report. Heresay evidence is not proof.

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:42:33 GMT

Just had the biggest laugh. Carl Lewis just came over on CNN talking about how shocked he was about Marion. Now that is a laugh... I had read he was a user. George, is your source for all this dirt on Carl Lewis Ben Johnson? And do you actually believe Ben Johnson's story that someone gave him a drink right before the test? Come on man, that is just silly. It is becoming a pattern: Everytime Ben comes up you throw Carl under the bus. You are mistaken if you believe that trashing Carl some how makes Ben look better. It comes accross as petty to me.

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

ViveBene — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:46:07 GMT

I personally do not think Marion was cheating. I think she was just keeping up with the Joneses. Is it cheating when you do exactly what everyone else does in your event does. This seems to be the crux of it. Drugging to permissible levels, trying something that hasn't been banned because it was not known to exist, the unusually high rate of diagnosed asthma among Olympic contenders, which allows them to use inhalants.... It's cheating and lying and all that good stuff to sign a piece of paper for Olympic Committee saying you are pure as the new-driven snow. But eventually the black and white get lost in shades of gray, and some serious journalism has basically said, let them do all the drugs they want. But flaxseed oil?!? Er, no. Regards, VB

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 06:59:33 GMT

Are you trying to tell me even opera singers dope? :lmao::rofl: Aren't they called "Performance" enhancing drugs? Doesn't matter if the "performance" is performed at the Colisseum or the Metropolitan.............

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 06:53:24 GMT

Kirk, I'm not so sure about your assumption. After all, the audience watching the 'World's Strongest Man' competition and all brands of wrestling is pretty large. But, maybe that's just the freak show aspect that most of the TV viewing public seems to crave. Actually a large number of those watching such shows (like Wrestling), believe everything they see is "real" and not staged or choreographed.

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 05:08:40 GMT

3strokes I have a name change suggestion, you are a funny guy,:groovy::groovy::groovy: should you not change your name to 3jokes And limit myself to 3 jokes (per month? year? week? post?). Or, worse, what if I don't rise up to the occasion (joke-wise)? People will expect "funny" all the time and I won't be able to interject serious discussions (For example, I shall soon advertise that a customer of ours -never mind which Bank!- had left $182,000,006.98 in a secret bank account and then has been lunched on by a Great White and that I'm the estate executor and that I'm willing to let a lucky person share if they'll let me use their bank accounts as masks, for a modest fee). On the other hand, during that last game we had (was it the Masquerade Ball? My memory's really going fast), I stayed true to my name and did not use fake identities. Thanks for the suggestion, George, but I'll stick to my alibi..... oops, story, I mean, name.

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

knelson — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:18:43 GMT

Also this really does question Lance Armstrong's statements about doping even more becuase Marion Anderson didn't test positive, i believe Are you trying to tell me even opera singers dope? :lmao:

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:54:53 GMT

Can they retroactively award her medals to the next finishers? Current rule is that this can be done retroactively for a period of 8 years. So, yes, anything she won from 1999 on is fair game at this point. -LBJ

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:19:16 GMT

That not a solution. Who's going to want to watch, advertise for, or compete in an "Aided Olympics?" Other than as a freak show, perhaps. Kirk, I'm not so sure about your assumption. After all, the audience watching the 'World's Strongest Man' competition and all brands of wrestling is pretty large. But, maybe that's just the freak show aspect that most of the TV viewing public seems to crave.

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:11:09 GMT

Heck, we can continue to lower the bar to make sure everyone gets a medal. We can turn our backs on drug cheaters like some think we should, but I'd like to think we took the high road and competed clean and set examples for our kids that decency, honesty and ethics mean something, even if it cost us a gold medal. I had a great boss once who used to say, "I met a lot of people in business over the years that had ethics, as long as it didn't cost them anything." The argument that everyone else is doing it is lame....and does not justify the means. Wrong will always be just that...wrong. I also do not buy the "I did not know nonsense". It is bad enough that they cheat, but do not add insult to misery by insulting my intellect by telling me you did not know. That is akin to a guys wife walking into the bedroom and finding him in bed with the next door neighbor, then telling his wife "it is not what it looks like". Ok, hot shot....I'm all ears, then what is it?

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:57:20 GMT

Periodically, I read a thread about doping on some forum and am always amazed at the basic mistake being made by most folks. Here it is: elite sport is not sport as most understand the concept. It has nothing to do with a healty lifestyle or concepts such as honor. It is a big money business. Very big. An athlete is payed alot of money and is expected to do everything he has to do to win. I do not believe that there is any big time sport where doping is not prevelant. And guess what - we are all guilty ! We all want to see records broken even though we know that they are already at super human levels. Does anybody think that Tour deFrance riders could get thru that 3 week hell only on Wheaties? Recentlt I saw an old NBA playoff game from the 60's - Boston vs. Philadelphia. I was amazed at how much the physiqes of NBA players have changed since then. Yes, back then they didn't do as much weight training but does anyone seriously not think that today substance use is much more prevelant? BTW, if I remember correctly, in those days guys like Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain made $100,000 a year and there was not a big mechandise market like today. So..Marion gets stripped of her medal, we all feel rightous :angel: and it's given to another athlete who , of course:doh:, never took any substance.

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:55:19 GMT

Then, you got gull over there in Texas sporting those new pipes, just makes you wonder about it all, oh the humanity. that's from all that steer wrangling he's been donig on the side...

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:53:54 GMT

I think the public denials and lying ultimately may do as much damage to sport as the cheating. What egomaniacal sense of entitlement gives an athlete -- or sitting President, for that matter, but this is not a political discussion -- the right to sit on a dais and feed us pure bs for years, then turn around and beg forgiveness when finally caught out? What message does that send to my kids who are just starting into competitive athletics? The whole sordid affair is disgusting, and unfortunately makes me view similar denials by athletes with about an ocean of salt. It is a shame. Ruins the idea of it. "Hey kids...do be obese video game addicts...pick a sport...if you're not fast enough, we know a guy that can get you "cheat codes" for the field..."

RE: Marion Jones Cheater!

Former Member — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:51:21 GMT

Think back to the days of Marion Jones's glory: wasn't her husband/BF or trainer kicked out of the Games right then? Did you think Jones was 100% pure? Regards, VB No...I am sure he was slipping her something back then too...:D As Sonny Corleone said: "There's alotta money in the white powder..."