Breaststroke Pull Technique

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:46:26 GMT

yeah i know it's his pullout, but i meant is he using a different pullout technique than hansen? Can anyone find an underwater shot of his pullout? i'd really like to see his timing of the dolphin and arm pull.

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:50:43 GMT

He gains it really on the pullout, and really just the pull on the pullout. They are even going into the water and then they both pull out and Hetland just surges ahead.

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:03:09 GMT

but is he doing something different than hansen? i mean 3/4 a body length off the start is HUGE.

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:58:05 GMT

Hetland (the guy in the blue) is an amazing sprinter that is how,he is the fastest 100 breaststroker in NCAAs in season, and he also whips his dolphin kick like it is his job. Hansen is more naturally a 200 *** guy, so even when he races Gangloff or someone like that they'll be ahead off the first 50.

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:38:37 GMT

eric has amazing distance per stroke. but on that same website, watch the 100 *** finals - A. look at the dive of the guy in the blue suit. he gets 3/4 a body length off of HASEN right after the pullout. how is he getting that far out!!!!

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:27:24 GMT

Shanteau didn't look like he was using the fly kick rule. He looked like he was taking two whip kicks underwater. How many kicks are allowed? Is the number limited, or does it not matter as long as you don't exceed 15m?

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Allen Stark — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:24:53 GMT

I also have to note how fast Shanteau is off the wall,he has great turn technique.

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Allen Stark — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:23:18 GMT

Nope,he is legal and using one dolphin kick on the pullout and one whipkick after the pullout.The 15M rule doesn't apply to BR.You get one stroke underwater and the pull must precede the kick.

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Allen Stark — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:12:16 GMT

As one coach wrote regarding the breaststroke leg of the 400 IM"only a few kids,blessed by God,are allowed to glide."

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

rtodd — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:06:13 GMT

That's a big if.

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Allen Stark — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:01:25 GMT

That is the way it should be done(if you have a good enough kick.)

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

rtodd — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:56:12 GMT

Wow, That is fast. How about Shanteau.....major distance per stroke. www.flocasts.org/.../coverage.php

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:18:28 GMT

Allen I thought I had better add this link www.youtube.com/watch

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Allen Stark — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:48:54 GMT

Thank you.That is a great video.I had not seen a good video of Sludinov before.I'm surprised how far back he is bringing his hands.It seems to work for him.He has great streamlining and powerful kick.

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:36:47 GMT

Back stroke www.youtube.com/watch Fly www.youtube.com/watch Free www.youtube.com/watch Speedo swim wear www.youtube.com/watch

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:13:21 GMT

I just saw this post - it is extremely helpful. Are there any similar type videos for the other strokes?

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:28:29 GMT

I was just told recently that the trend is moving towards keeping the palms down, that it is supposed to help you push down and stay on top of the water. Unfortunately I can't get it to work all that well, though maybe it is the absence of a froggy kick. :cane: I was fast as a kid palms up old style...faster than my peers were at freestyle. I think there is a way around everything. Kick timing is key...trying to optimise the "when" myself. The way I see it, you're turning your wrists at some point; just as you lunge or at the start of the outsweep. You have to turn them. Hands up or down at during the streamline will not make a difference. I'd like to hear from some top BR'ers who have experimented with theis and who have the insight to define what works best. In my limited knowledge of the stroke, the fly pull rather than and outsweep gives you more of a lift from the arms. I've been avoiding that in search of finding the lift from the core and the "undulation" that should come from the wave. Sometimes it's there and it's glorious...othertimes it is not. Mainly though, I'm a masters swimmer, within reason I'll do what doesn't hurt/comes easiest. Heck my recovery near goes over the water anyhow...I was critiqued on this several times but my fastest time was with hands over; not skimming...not under. Anyhow I'm not going for the olympics a tenth of a second here or there doesn't ruin my life. :D

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Muppet — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:09:37 GMT

I'm going back to palms up...instead of fighting it... it's how I was taught as a kid...someone on here said not to do this...though I can't recalll who. I was just told recently that the trend is moving towards keeping the palms down, that it is supposed to help you push down and stay on top of the water. Unfortunately I can't get it to work all that well, though maybe it is the absence of a froggy kick. :cane:

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:06:44 GMT

I think the palms down idea is a theory that makes more sense to coaches than swimmers.It can be taught,but the best now seem palms up.Hands over the surface,at the surface,or just under the surface on the recovery doesn't seem to matter as long as you shoot forward,not up. People said my over water recovery was weird...I just felt like it was getting a better lunge... it felt like an arching motion, which in my thinking was tied into the wave... thanks for the input Allen. :)

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Allen Stark — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:15:15 GMT

My hands go over the water at my 50 speed as I ride higher in the water.At 100 and 200 pace they are at the surface.What feels comfortable is probably right.

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Allen Stark — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:00:13 GMT

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:51:05 GMT

Here is a video that hoffman found www.youtube.com/watch

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:47:38 GMT

I'm going back to palms up...instead of fighting it... it's how I was taught as a kid...someone on here said not to do this...though I can't recalll who.

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:38:09 GMT

Here is a great breaststroke race good technique www.wa.swimming.org.au/.../***-Quann&Kovacs100mHeat5Sydney2000.mpg

RE: Breaststroke Pull Technique

Former Member — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:53:53 GMT

I was just watching a video of Hansen posted in another thread, and I noticed it was very obvious he was ending the recovery with his palms turned up. I know that most of the best breaststrokers do this, but I don't understand the rationale for it. Why is turning the palms up good? What happens between the catch and the end of the stroke that results in upturned palms? To me whenever I do it I feel like I'm missing some of the propulsive part of the pull. It just doesn't feel like I'm getting the most out of the arm stroke. I know that must be wrong.. obviously it's good to turn up your palms, if that's what Hansen is doing. But why?