Early Rising Tied to Heart Problems

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dorothyrde — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:01:00 GMT

Does anyone know how your sleep needs changes as you age? I feel like I need more sleep than I did 10 years ago. Not getting it though. At least I have a valid will. I seem to need less, and I believe we might be the same age. I don't need an alarm clock to get up at 4:30, and wake up at that time on the weekends, and force myself to go back to sleep. Usually I am more tired from the week, so I can. But 6-7 is what I usually get. Dang, 5am, gotta pack breakfast, lunch and out the door.....

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dorothyrde — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:57:38 GMT

If you get up at 4:45am M-F, sleeping til 7:00 on Sat/Sun sure feels like sleeping in. So true. I slept in until 6:30 on Saturday and 7 on Sunday and it was GREAT! I also really, really like my solitary time on Saturday and Sunday, with 2 older kids, and a husband who sleeps late, the dog and I have good quality time!

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swim4me — Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:14:47 GMT

And I thought all FAFs were nightowls ... :shakeshead: I guess you see a lot of that runner hubby. :lmao: I slept until 9:00 am once over the Labor Day weekend. It was so blissful. This FAF is an early bird :coffee:! Don't see much of runner hubby during the week at all. We work at the same company (big company so don't usually run into each other) and we will ocassionally meet for lunch. We really start missing each other by the end of the week and we spend most of the weekend running errands and doing house projects together. Most everything, except our workouts, me swimming, he running (we will ocassionally bike together, but I have a hard time keeping up with him) we do together. By Sunday night we are ready for our 5 day separation. January will mark 22 years (twenty-three since we met), so something is working :smooch:.

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Former Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:57:13 GMT

I get up early because I am dealing with people in another time zone. So my first coffee is usually at 4 or 4:30 am. But it is early to bed at 8:00 pm.

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Former Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:49:06 GMT

Maybe when I get old like y'all, doing those early AM workouts will come a little easier. Until then it's late afternoon workouts for me.

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Former Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:47:58 GMT

Exactly. That's why I can't bond with early bird Geek. That, and the mullet...

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Former Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:28:31 GMT

Very interesting topic. For over twenty years it has been known that there is a circadian rhythm for cardiovascular events. Heart attacks, sudden cardiac death, and stroke are more common between the hours of 6am and 12pm, during winter months, and on Mondays. However, it is not known whether exercising early in the morning places you at any greater risk. That having been said, I did find myself obsessing about the location of the nearest defibrillator during today's 5:30am practice. Chronobiological considerations for exercise and heart disease.Atkinson G, Drust B, George K, Reilly T, Waterhouse J. Research Institute for Sport and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Henry Cotton Campus, UK. Sports Med. 2006;36(6):487-500 Although regular physical activity is beneficial for many clinical conditions, an acute bout of exercise might increase the risk of an adverse clinical event, such as sudden cardiac death or myocardial infarction, particularly in vulnerable individuals. Since it is also known that the incidence of these events peaks in the morning and that some cardiac patients prefer to schedule leisure-time physical activity before lunch, the question arises as to whether morning exercise is 'inherently' more risky than physical activity performed at other times of day. We attempt to answer this question by reviewing the relevant epidemiological data as well as the results of chronobiological and exercise-related studies that have concentrated on the pathophysiological mechanisms for sudden cardiac events. We also consider generally how chronobiology might impact on exercise prescription in heart disease. We performed a structured literature search in the PubMed and WEBofSCIENCE databases for relevant studies published between 1981 and 2004. The limited amount of published epidemiological data did not allow us to conclude that a bout of vigorous exercise in the morning increases the relative risk of either primary cardiac events in apparently healthy individuals, or secondary events in cardiac patients enrolled in supervised exercise programmes. Nevertheless, these data are not directly relevant to individuals who have a history of heart disease and perform uncontrolled habitual activities. It appears as though the influence of time of day on the cardiovascular safety of this type of exercise has not been examined in this population. There is evidence that several pathophysiological variables (e.g. blood pressure, endothelial function, fibrinolysis) vary in parallel with typical diurnal changes in freely chosen activity. Nevertheless, few studies have been designed to examine specifically whether such variables respond differently to a 'set' level of exercise in the morning compared with the afternoon or evening. Even fewer researchers have adequately separated the influences of waking from sleep, adopting an upright posture and physical exertion per se on these pathophysiological responses at different times of day. In healthy individuals, exercise is generally perceived as more difficult and functional performance is decreased in the morning hours. These observations have been confirmed for patients with heart disease in only one small study. It has also not been confirmed, using an adequately powered study involving cardiac patients, that the responses of heart rate and oxygen consumption (VO(2)) to a set bout of exercise show the highest reactivity in the afternoon and evening, which is the case with healthy individuals. Confirmation of this circadian variation would be important, since it would mean that exercise might be prescribed at too high an intensity in the morning if heart rate or VO(2) responses are employed as markers of exercise load. We conclude that there is some parallelism between the diurnal changes in physical activity and those in the pathophysiological mechanisms associated with acute cardiac events. Nevertheless, more studies are needed to ascertain whether the responses of endothelial function, fibrinolysis and blood pressure to a set exercise regimen differ according to time of day. The results of epidemiological studies suggest that morning exercise is just as safe as afternoon exercise for cardiac patients enrolled in a supervised rehabilitation programme. Nevertheless, it is unclear whether time of day alters the risk of a cardiac event occurring during spontaneous physical activity performed by individuals with established risk factors for heart disease.

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Former Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:05:24 GMT

Don't let your kids go to bed early. MTV has lots of good junk to keep them up late.

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Former Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:42:41 GMT

I take it you don't have young kids in the house :lmao: Yes but they know/knew not to wake me up...they'd always get my wife out of bed...but me, they knew I wouldn't get up and pander to them at 6am...so they learnt to go to the bathroom and either go back to bed or snuggle with me. Now they're 6 and 10...they can get their own cereal...

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Former Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:36:49 GMT

That's what the weekends are for. You can top up your sleep bank at the weekend. I take it you don't have young kids in the house :lmao:

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Former Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:21:13 GMT

The story said sleep deprivation is what is leading to heart disorders. So if you're getting eight hours of sleep each night, you should be OK. That's what the weekends are for. You can top up your sleep bank at the weekend. Now can someone please get Mrs Stud to lay off of me about the home repair so that I can get my sleep over the weekend...

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aquageek — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:45:13 GMT

Exactly. That's why I can't bond with early bird Geek. Anytime between noon and 9:00 pm is a dandy workout time for me. I'm going to make Mini-Fort quit swimming so I can live longer now that I have some "proof." I'm only an early bird by forces of circumstance. I hate the mornings but that's the only time I have.

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The Fortress — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:10:00 GMT

Gull,great article.One confounding variable is that sleep lab studies show there really are morning people and night people.I suspect effects of early workouts for a morning person will be different than for a night person. Exactly. That's why I can't bond with early bird Geek. Anytime between noon and 9:00 pm is a dandy workout time for me. I'm going to make Mini-Fort quit swimming so I can live longer now that I have some "proof."

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Former Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:58:07 GMT

Older or not, the study found that early risers had a greater risk of cardiac issues. Having said that, much information regarding the study is missing and it is therefore difficult to determine just how representative it may or may not be. So true. That's why I hate these "studies" that give so little information. . . who even knows how the study was conducted. Early risers or not, most older people have more cardiac issues than younger people. Duh.

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Allen Stark — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:55:30 GMT

Gull,great article.One confounding variable is that sleep lab studies show there really are morning people and night people.I suspect effects of early workouts for a morning person will be different than for a night person.I also suspect that if the only time one can/will workout is early,it is better to workout then than not.

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aquageek — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:41:28 GMT

VO(2) Oh no, what have you done?

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poolraat — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:41:04 GMT

Unfortunately, this whole early morning crud has ruined Monday Night Football with the guys. Move to the west coast and that will change. I can watch the game and still be in bed by 9:30. :thhbbb:

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aquageek — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:07:41 GMT

Ha! Just wait till your girls are old enough to swim regularly in meets where the warm up at some remote pool starts at 6:00 or 6:30 am ... And then, if it's a big meet and you're really "lucky," you get to go back for finals ... Saturday practice at 6:30 am too ... Oh, age group swimming is a lovely sport. I'm not letting my youngest too it. She's going to be a summer leaguer. We are already in that world but all I need is one or two Sundays a month til 7 am and I'm good to go. JUST ONE! Unfortunately, this whole early morning crud has ruined Monday Night Football with the guys.

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The Fortress — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:49:38 GMT

If you get up at 4:45am M-F, sleeping til 7:00 on Sat/Sun sure feels like sleeping in. Ha! Just wait till your girls are old enough to swim regularly in meets where the warm up at some remote pool starts at 6:00 or 6:30 am ... And then, if it's a big meet and you're really "lucky," you get to go back for finals ... Saturday practice at 6:30 am too ... Oh, age group swimming is a lovely sport. I'm not letting my youngest too it. She's going to be a summer leaguer.

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aquageek — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:20:24 GMT

If you get up at 4:45am M-F, sleeping til 7:00 on Sat/Sun sure feels like sleeping in.

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The Fortress — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:44:41 GMT

I take it you don't have young kids in the house :lmao: He does. But older kids are even busier! Weekend practices and meets/games are often very early. It's especially fun if you have a really big age span between your kids. Sleep and kids are largely incompatible.

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The Fortress — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:10:37 GMT

My husband is a night person (also a runner ). After I have been up for several hours on a Saturday morning, I watch him stumble to the kitchen for his coffee and I think "that is exactly how I feel after 10:00 at night". And I thought all FAFs were nightowls ... :shakeshead: I guess you see a lot of that runner hubby. :lmao: I slept until 9:00 am once over the Labor Day weekend. It was so blissful.

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aquaFeisty — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:09:17 GMT

Gotta watch out for health reports without all the details!! I remember maybe 10 years ago a study came out that showed that children who slept (since they were babies) with a nightlight were more likely require glasses. Turns out that the study did not account for genetics. Upon further review, parents who wore glasses were more likely to use nightlights so they could see their children! Go figure, the kids with parents who wore glasses were more likely to wear glasses themselves!

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aquageek — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:08:28 GMT

I wonder what is worse, getting up at 4:45 am working out for 1.5 hours daily or sitting on your behind, munching on doritos and krispy kremes, weighing 290 like most Americans, getting no exercise but sleeping in? I'll take my chances.

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aztimm — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:28:44 GMT

The only time this program gets messed up is when the time changes to daylight time in the spring. It will take a week or so before I get re-adjusted and start waking up on time again. For some reason, most of Arizona doesn't do daylight time, we're on MST year-round. So in the summer, the sun rises very early. Whenever the rest of the country switches, it gets debated here, but nothing gets done. I do notice more traffic on the freeway after the fall switch, since our call centers have to adjust their start/end times to everyone else.