Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

ande — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:11:42 GMT

meet info arrived 2007 Dixie Zone and Southern Masters Swimming Championships Short Course Meters December 7-9, 2007 Sanctioned By: Southern Masters Swimming for United States Masters Swimming, Inc. Sanction # Pending Hosted By: Elmwood Masters and Southern Masters Swimming Meet Referee: John E. Roth, Jr. Meet Director: John E. Roth, Jr. Entry Chairman: John E. Roth, Jr. - 104 Yellowstone Street, Kenner, La. 70065 Phone: H (504) 469-3119 E-mail: jerothjr@cox.net Location: Tulane University, Reily Student-Recreation Center Natatorium, New Orleans, LA www.reilycenter.com/.../viewpages.cgi From South Claiborne, turn on Broadway Street towards the river, take a left at the first stoplight (Willow Street). From St. Charles, turn on Broadway Street away from the river, take a right on Willow Street. On Willow Street, take a left at the first stoplight (McAlister Extension). Go down McAlister Extension for about 0.3 miles and Reily Center will be on the left hand side. Further directions and a map are available at the following site: www.reilycenter.com/.../viewpages.cgi Date & Times: Friday, December 7th: Warm-ups = 6:00 PM, Events = 7:00 PM Saturday December 8th: Warm-ups = 10:00 AM; Events = 11:00 AM. Sunday December 9th: Warm-ups = 9:00 AM; Events =10:00 AM. Facilities: Indoor 8 lane 50-meter pool with non-turbulent racing lane ropes. All races conducted on a 25-meter course in the deep end. Warm-up lanes in the shallow end will be available during the meet each day. Showers and lockers will be available. Lockers are available for checkout at our front desk with a valid picture id. Timing: Colorado automatic timing system with touch pads will be the primary system. Secondary system will be manual electronic with 1 button and 1 digital watch per lane, with a second watch on first place in each heat. Rules: Current United States Masters Swimming technical rules and code of regulations will govern this meet. Conduct of Meet: - All events, except the 1500, the 800, and 400 freestyle, will be timed finals and seeded slowest to fastest by submitted entry times. - The 1500, 800, and 400 freestyle events will be deck seeded. Check-in will close 20 minutes prior to these events. - The 400 free will swim fastest to slowest, alternating women and men's heats. - The 800 and 1500 free will swim fastest to slowest, with women and men seeded in each heat. - Entries are due on Sunday, December 2nd, so as to seed the meet and print heat sheets. - All late entries (after 12-2-2007) will be taken at the discretion of the Meet Referee and seeded in open lanes only. - Late entries must pay an additional late fee of $3.00. - There will be no changing of events after entry deadline. - All participating swimmers will receive a copy of the meet heat sheet. Results: Results will be mailed upon request. All requests for hard copies can be made either by checking the block on the meet entry form or turning in a request to receive a “hard” copy of the meet results with your name, mailing address, and zip code. Eligibility: All participants must be registered with United States Masters Swimming. Minimum age is 18 years based on age as of December 31, 2007. - Include a copy of your current USMS registration card or registration application form with your entry form. - If your entry is close to the deadline, send your filled out registration application and separate check in with your entry. Liability Release: Each entered swimmer must sign the liability release on the entry form Limit of Events: Each entered swimmer may swim 5 events plus relays per day. The 1500 free will be offered on both Friday night and Saturday afternoon. Competitors may enter one or the other, but regardless of when the event is swum, it will count toward the 5-event limit for Saturday. Please specify on the meet entry if the 1500 free will be swum on Friday or Saturday. Hospitality: Water, sports drinks, and fruit will be provided. Entry Fees: Cost for full participation is $40.00; one day only is $25.00. Those wishing to swim the 1500 freestyle only may enter for a $15.00 fee. A $3.00 late fee will be charged for all entries received after December 2, 2007. All entry fee checks must be made payable to: " Southern Masters Swimming" Entries: Entries are due Sunday, December 2, 2007. Entries must be mailed or delivered to: Meet Referee Southern Masters Short Course Meter Championships 104 Yellowstone Street Kenner, Louisiana 70065 E-mail to " jerothjr@cox.net " - Relays will be entered on the day that they are scheduled to be swum. - Use the enclosed entry form only! Seed times must be best short course meter times only! - You can send your entry in by E-mail to " jerothjr@cox.net ", but you must send the signed paperwork along with your entry check. - Teams using Hy Tek software, please send a commlink file of your entries on disk and a printout of your team entries from team manger. After the meet, disk will be returned with meet results. - You can send your Hy-Tek entries by E-mail to " jerothjr@cox.net ", still send the disk and paperwork along with entry checks. Scoring: Points will be awarded as follows: Individuals 9 7 6 5 4 3 2 1; Relays 18-14-12-10-8-6-4-2. Age Groups: Ind. 18-24,25-29,30-34,35-39,40-44,45-49,50-54,55-59,60-64,65-69,70-74, etc. Relays 76-99,100-119,120-159,160-199,200-239,240-279,280-319,320-359,360-399, etc. Awards: Trophies to top 3 teams; Ribbons will be awarded for first through third places in each age group in each individual event. Natatorium Parking: Parking is available in the Diboll parking garage located directly across the street from the Natatorium. Parking is free after 5pm and all day on the weekend. Facility Rules: Tulane University asks that all swimmers, spectators, and coaches comply with the following facility regulations: No eating or drinking is allowed in activity areas. No smoking or alcoholic beverages are allowed in the entire facility. (Water or sports drinks will be permitted if contained in covered, spill-proof drinking bottles). Non-marking gym shoes only. Participants, parents, siblings and guests must remain with the event in the Main gym. Event related signs and decorations can be displayed, but no helium balloons indoors or tape can be placed on painted surfaces. (Sponsors must be approved). Hotels: SMS is working to provide a block of rooms at a French Quarter hotel at a discounted rate. When available, information will be placed on the Southern Masters’ Swimming web site. For New Orleans tourism information, visit www.neworleansonline.com/ Direct All Questions to: John Roth : Home (504) 469 3119 For more information, visit www.southernmastersswimming.org. Meet Entry Form 2007Dixie Zone and Southern Masters Short Course Meter Championships December 7-9, 2007 Tulane University Reily Center Natatorium Sanction # Pending Name ______________________________________________ Date of Birth ________________ Age (As of 12-31-2007) _______ Sex ______ Address ____________________________________________ City/State/Zip __________________________________________________ E-Mail _________________________________________________ Phone ______ - ______ - ___________ USMS # _________________ Team Name _____________________________________________________________________ Abbreviation _____________________ Please circle desired event numbers for all individual entries. Limit is 5 individual events per day. The 1500 freestyle counts as a Saturday event. List best recent short course meter times in the space provided, use a "NT" if you have no time for an event. Relays are automatic for teams with a sufficient number of swimmers entered. Entries are due on the Sunday before the meet, so as to seed meet and print heat sheets. All late entries (after Sunday) will be taken at the discretion of the referee and seeded in open lanes only. Friday, December 7th – 7 p.m. W M Event Seed time 1 2 1500 Freestyle Saturday, December 8th –11 a.m. W M Event Seed Time W M Event Seed Time 3 4 400 IM 5 6 50 Back 7 8 200 Free 9 10 50 *** 11 12 100 Fly 13 14 200 *** 15 16 100 Free 17 18 200 Back 19 20 200 Free Relay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 21 - 200 Mixed Med Relay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 23 24 800 Free 1 2 1500 Free Sunday, December 9th – 10 a.m. 25 26 400 Free 27 28 100 IM 29 30 50 Free 31 32 100 Back 33 34 200 Fly 35 36 100 *** 37 38 50 Fly 39 40 200 IM 41 42 200 Med Relay Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 43 - 200 Mixed Free Relay Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx MASTERS CHAMPIONSHIP LIABILITY RELEASE FORM "I, the undersigned participant, intending to be legally bound, hereby certify that I am physically fit and have not been otherwise informed by a physician. I acknowledge that I am aware of all the risks inherent in Masters Swimming (training and competition), including possible permanent disability or death, and agree to assume all the risks. AS A CONDITION OF MY PARTICIPATION IN THE MASTERS SWIMMING PROGRAM OR ANY ACTIVITIES INCIDENT THERETO, I HEREBY WAIVE ANY AND ALL RIGHTS TO CLAIMS FOR LOSS OR DAMAGES, INCLUDING ALL CLAIMS FOR LOSS OR DAMAGES CAUSED BY THE NEGLIGENCE, ACTIVE OR PASSIVE, OF THE FOLLOWING: UNITED STATES MASTERS SWIMMING, INC., THE LOCAL MASTERS SWIMMING COMMITTEES, THE CLUBS, HOST FACILITIES, MEET SPONSORS, MEET COMMITTEE, OR ANY INDIVIDUALS OFFICIATING AT THE MEETS OR SUPERVISING SUCH ACTIVITIES. In addition, I agree to abide and be governed by the rules of United States Masters Swimming." Signature _________________________________________ _______________________________ DATE _________________________ Fees: Full Meet $40.00 ______ One-Day Only $25.00 ______ 1500 Only $15.00 ______ Late fee(after Sunday 12-2-2007) $3.00______ Mail hard copy of results to above address ______ E-mail results only _______ Check number ______________ Proof of USMS membership, a copy of your current registration card, copy of your application form, or filled out application form with check must accompany this entry form. Entry deadline is Sunday December 2, 2007. You must sign the liability release and enclose check payable to " Southern Masters Swimming." with your entry. For entry confirmation, enclose a stamped self-addressed post card. All entrants who list a correct E-mail address will receive confirmation when their entries are received. Mail or E-mail entries to: Meet Entry Chairman Southern Masters Short Course Meter Championships 104 Yellowstone Street Kenner, Louisiana 70065 E-mail: jerothjr@cox.net

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

knelson — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:33:33 GMT

Another SCM championship meet this fall is the SPMA meet at the Belmont Olympic Pool in Long Beach from 11/30-12/2. Here's the info: www.spma.net/html.php

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

ande — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:39:03 GMT

got this email the Tulane meet is a go Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:11 AM To: Rasmussen, Anders (AUSTIN, TX) Subject: swim meet Yes, southern masters is putting on a sc meet at Tulane the first weekend of Dec. i am attaching a draft of the entry for your info. please contact me next week to confirm that it is the final draft. thanks for your interest. George Rucker Coach Elmwood Masters

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Former Member — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:15:18 GMT

I do not recall the report at USAS Convention on the SCM Virtual National championship ? Can someone give us an update ? Anyone from Championship Committe out there or the EC liasion ?

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Former Member — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:23:36 GMT

And we're hosting an SCM meet at a new, incredibly-fast pool. I can say "incredibly fast" because I saw Michael Phelps break his WR there, last winter, in the 200 Fly. He did it unshaven and untapered. :cheerleader: It's the University of Missouri Aquatic Center in Columbia, Missouri. The meet will be held December 1st & 2nd. Pool photos: www.mizzourec.org/.../ Meet information: community.lawrence.com/.../events.html - Anna Lea

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Former Member — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:52:33 GMT

You could also check out the TYR Masters Grand Prix Series. The finale of the series of 3 SCM meets will be at the University of Chicago. This is a 9 lane, 50 meter facility. During the meet, we will race in 9 lanes with additional lanes available for warm up and warm down. For more information go to www.TYRgrandprix.com

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Jim Clemmons — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 05:15:57 GMT

I do not recall the report at USAS Convention on the SCM Virtual National championship ? Can someone give us an update ? Anyone from Championship Committe out there or the EC liasion ? My recollection is that there may be a Beta test effort to gather info from a select number of Zone/LMSC Championships that use Hy-Tek for data management and see what develops from it. Everyone needs to be on the same page from the data standpoint to help minimize the effort or it's too labor intensive.

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Jeff Commings — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:42:14 GMT

Being a born-and-raised Missourian, I wish I could come to Columbia in December. Maybe someone can arrange a big SCM meet there next year. But I think few people will show up for the same reason fewer people come to the summer nationals: families. It's right before winter break and people want to save vacation time for "real" family trips. Plus, I don't remember Columbia having an airport, which means a two-hour drive from either Kansas City or St. Louis (Columbia's smack-dab in the middle of the state). Who wants to drive that far? In any case, best of luck at the meet. Hopefully those people will at least be convinced to have a SCY nationals. Who doesn't want to swim in the same water where a world record was broken unshaved and untapered? I just wish they had that pool when I was swimming in high school state meets there, instead of Hickman High!

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Muppet — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 05:00:00 GMT

I remember this discussion from an earlier time and one of the problems was that many of the pools that would be used for such an event are college pools and school would be in session during that time. Rutgers has offered up their facility to host the Colonies Zone Championship this and next year, this after putting the kaibosh on USMS meets a few years ago. Perhaps w/o a men's team anymore, they've got some added pool time. :dedhorse: I believe that the "Short Course Championships" in the spring can be either meters or yards. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people would be peeved if they were in Meters, esp since we're not a metric country and there are still LOTS of people who've never (or very infequently) swum in a SCM pool. I grew up with SCM summer league.

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

ande — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:23:00 GMT

found the new orleans stuff I'd still like to confirm it's a go DIXIE ZONE SHORT COURSE METER CHAMPIONSHIPS DECEMBER 7 – 9, 2007 TULANE UNIVERSITY REILY CENTER NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA Elmwood Masters Swim Team and Southern Masters Swimming would like to invite all swimmers to the first Masters swim meet to be held in New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina. Our regular venue, the University ofNew Orleans Lakefront Arena, was damaged during the storm, and repairs have not yet been completed. The meet will be held at the Tulane University ReilyStudent-Recreation Center Natatorium which houses a beautiful 50 meter x 25 yard Olympic Sized Pool equipped with a moveable, flow-through bulkhead. Along two walls of the complex large windows allow patrons toview the Varsity athletic track, soccer fields, training fields, as well as the outdoor social pool and sundeck.Natural light fills the natatorium through these windows as well. The competition will take place in the deep endof the pool. The pool is located on Tulane University’suptown campus. The meet will begin on Friday evening with the 1500 meter freestyle. An order of events will be posted on www.southernmastersswimming.org in the near future. www.southernmastersswimming.org/.../index.html While parts of New Orleans are still trying to rebuild from the hurricane, the main tourist areas such as the French Quarter and Garden District are completely recovered.New Orleans is a premier vacation spot, with fantasticfood, music, and tourist attractions. Our zoo and aquarium are world-class and linked, in true New Orleans style, by a river boat. More local information can be found at www.neworleansonline.com/ . We will be placing more information on our web sitesoon. We hope to see you “way down yonder in NewOrleans.”

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Former Member — Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:32:57 GMT

Why not come to Tempe for the SCM meet the weekend of November 9, 10 and 11? Should be awesome weather, can't beat the pool or the location. I have posted a link to meet info. Great times for all (in and out of the pool). azlmsc.org/.../2007SCMStateMeetFlyer.pdf

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Allen Stark — Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:51:54 GMT

I plan to be there(ASU) if it doesn't conflict with our Zones.If it does I be at Long Beach.

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

SwimTotoSwim — Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:18:29 GMT

A report on SCM vitual national championship will probably be given at USAS/USMS convention in September 2007 in CA. There are a lot of new SCM Championship meets in the Fall, including the one to be held 1-2-Dec-2007 at University of Missouri-Columbia which will be the "Missouri SCM Championship". USMS does not have a lot of bids for the 2 exisiting national championship SC or LCM. Plus, there are provision to have SCM instead of SCY in the Spring nationals. What is the difference from a virtual national championship and USMS Top Ten SCM ranking ? Why go through the expense of having an actual meet; other then the motiviation to swim next to another fast swimmer ? Good discussion topic (despite being a repeat from the past). Anthony Thompson, Missouri Valley Masters

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

ande — Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:00:31 GMT

maybe one of the zone championships should rename itself as the national championship Dixie zone championships are in New Orleans at Tulane or this one 11/30/2007 - 12/2/2007 SPMA SCM Championships - Long Beach, CA SCM; Julie Heather, 626-296-1841, registrar@spma.net; www.spma.net; Sanctioned by SP LMSC; Pre-entry & Deck-entry

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Former Member — Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:53:55 GMT

i thought for the virtual scm championships they were going to take the results from the largest 4 zone meets, as opposed to the top 10 which is the top 10 times in every scm meet.

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Muppet — Sun, 02 Sep 2007 04:20:47 GMT

Don't we already have a Virtual National Championship? Most people refer to it as the USMS Top 10.

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Former Member — Sat, 01 Sep 2007 09:06:44 GMT

I like the idea of a virtual national championship. To simulate the conditions at, say, the Woodlands in August, you could require that the swimmers hang out in the sauna between events.

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Frank Thompson — Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:51:39 GMT

You might want to search the threads. This has been asked and debated several times. forums.usms.org/showthread.php

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Former Member — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:18:35 GMT

does anyone know what is happening with the virtual scm nationals. i remember seeing that last year they were just going to test some of the results.

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Former Member — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:07:37 GMT

Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships? ande You might want to search the threads. This has been asked and debated several times.

RE: Why doesn't USMS have a SCM national championships?

Glenn — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:41:40 GMT

I remember this discussion from an earlier time and one of the problems was that many of the pools that would be used for such an event are college pools and school would be in session during that time. As an alternative, come to the SCM championships at Long Beach in December. It is a great pool although "old". I believe it was built for the '68 trials. We always have swimmers from other parts of the country swim at the meet. I think with a little encouragement, it could become a de-facto national meet.