Grudge Races, Part 2

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Former Member — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:25:01 GMT

OK. Remember the deal was you get 4.5 seconds. If you're able to pare it down to the 32 second range it should be a good race! I'll take a training re-time nearer just to make sure I'm not getting over handicapped. Oh here's the results from this Sunday: 200BR 3:35.74

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knelson — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:34:33 GMT

Well at the Wilton sizzler...Some_Girl and I had to settle for consecutive heats...whiles I just edged my fair opponent in the 50 FR...she whomped me in the 50 FLY...but more importantly we all got to eat at the BBQ afterwards!! So are we still on for our 50 free challenge? Let me know what time I need to shoot for!

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Former Member — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:31:05 GMT

She is the reigning queen of fly... :dedhorse: hoo-ray for barbecue! ...now she got a hat to prove it too ...we need a picture of you wearing the crown SG!!!

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Former Member — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:29:44 GMT

So are we still on for our 50 free challenge? Let me know what time I need to shoot for! Kirk, I will be training for LCM zones and that will be my time for you. I wouldn't sweat though, this one was 34 something...LOL The 100 FR was abandoned because of time constraints.

RE: Grudge Races, Part 2

knelson — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:01:46 GMT

Kirk, I will be training for LCM zones and that will be my time for you. I wouldn't sweat though, this one was 34 something...LOL OK. Remember the deal was you get 4.5 seconds. If you're able to pare it down to the 32 second range it should be a good race!

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Former Member — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:10:54 GMT

I knew about the salt, you knew about the salt, probably everyone here knew about the salt. The reporter was not too smart. I think I knew that in grade 3.

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Former Member — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:15:36 GMT

Any challengers here. video.msn.com/.../v.htm

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knelson — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 03:55:14 GMT

Any challengers here. video.msn.com/.../v.htm What's the challenge? Swim in colder water, or swim farther than he did? Not that I'd be up for either of these challenges... P.S. It's water and not ice at 29 degrees F because it's salt water.

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Muppet — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:57:01 GMT

Yeah, I'll have to look into that. Though considering the disaster that was my 100 fly at that meet, I am not sure I deserve it. Plus the fact that I am one of the slowest girls on my team (of those who regularly race) means I'd feel pretty silly wearing it to practice. Maybe you should come redeem yourself at zones. :wine: The way Fort dies in the 100s, you may actually have a decent bet there too!

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some_girl — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:44:19 GMT

...now she got a hat to prove it too ...we need a picture of you wearing the crown SG!!! Yeah, I'll have to look into that. Though considering the disaster that was my 100 fly at that meet, I am not sure I deserve it. Plus the fact that I am one of the slowest girls on my team (of those who regularly race) means I'd feel pretty silly wearing it to practice.

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Muppet — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:34:38 GMT

Well at the Wilton sizzler...Some_Girl and I had to settle for consecutive heats...whiles I just edged my fair opponent in the 50 FR...she whomped me in the 50 FLY...but more importantly we all got to eat at the BBQ afterwards!! She is the reigning queen of fly... :dedhorse: hoo-ray for barbecue!

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Former Member — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:36:40 GMT

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Former Member — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:43:39 GMT

I went ahead and swam last night. Here was the work out. It was a bit more than I wanted to do but went anyway figuring I could get out early if things didn't feel right. Long course meters - Less turns and probably better on my back. 600 warm up Every 3rd non free. I did EZ backstroke. 3 rounds straight through 2 X 100 on 1:40 Desc. 1-2 2 X 50 Kick on 1:30 Desc. 1-2 (kicking was tough and I could feel back back tighten up so I took it easy and mixed in breaststroke. Good thing for the 1:30 interval! Main set. 6 X 150 on 2:40 100 easy 4 X 150 on 2:30 100 Easy 2 X 150 on 2:20 100 easy I pretty much kept the same pace for all of the 150's. A smooth 1:58-2:00. Although the last two I went a little bit faster. 200 warm down. I felt little stiff when I was done so I jumped in the jacuzzi and then iced it at home. The best thing is that I felt better at night. Still had to loosen up my back so I could get out of bed to use the restroom but it took less time and I felt like I got a better nights sleep. So hopefully this means I'm on the road to recovery. Tonights work out is 4000 yards and short course with some sprints at the end. I'll have to be smart about this one.

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Former Member — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:49:58 GMT

In my experience the best remedy for back pain is movement. About once a year I get a back pain attack that nearly immobilizes me and I wind up crawling around the house for a day or so. The more I force myself to walk, regadless of how hunched over and awkward it might be, the sooner I get better. I have been down the MD path getting muscle relaxers and that proved completely useless. I also tried visiting a chiropractor and that visit scared me half to death...won't be going again. Best of luck to you.

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Former Member — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:08:27 GMT

Yeah I wish there was something more specific. In the mean time, I'm definitely doing some stretching and then ice/heat in the evenings. And I'm taking ibuprofen and a muscle relaxer before bed as my doc recommended/prescribed. But so far that has just taken the edge off of the pain. I don't think it is getting any better, yet. Stud, are you getting in the pool and doing some easy swimming with your back or are you just resting it? Kevin

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The Fortress — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:44:06 GMT

Is Mr Fort governor of California...I mean all this "open endorsement" of steroid use.... ;) I've seen Mr. Fort with the exact same symptoms as Kevin. It's no fun to crawl on the floor. Muscle relaxers don't do jack for him either. The only thing that eases the pain and spasming is a steroid pack. And where exactly did you think I was getting my massive shoulders for fly anyway? :rofl:

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The Fortress — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:31:45 GMT

I'm not going to say Muppet is wrong, whatever works for the individual. I would go heat to relax and then ice to reduce inflammation. I used to hottub and feel great but wake up feeling even more stiff and immobile. When I use ice after heat that problem goes away. I also use ice outright--so please try both. I'm going with ice. Spasms may reflect inflammation. Heat makes inflammation worse. Hot tubs or heat feels great temporarily. But ice is the best for inflammation. And steroids. Everyone I know with a bad back flare up or spasms, including Mr. Fort and friends, is usually given a steroid pack. I hope you're OK! I wish your doc had had something more specific to say. If it gets worse, go back as planned or get a second opinion. Seems like you need some more specific advice. Don't know about the location of pain ... That's different. But it could be impingement or a herniated disc or something. Don't mess around with it!

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Former Member — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:54:46 GMT

Everyone I know with a bad back flare up or spasms, including Mr. Fort and friends, is usually given a steroid pack. Is Mr Fort governor of California...I mean all this "open endorsement" of steroid use.... ;)

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Former Member — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:28:45 GMT

Stud, are you getting in the pool and doing some easy swimming with your back or are you just resting it? Kevin Kevin My back issues relate to 3 bad discs and tight hamstrings...through swimming the impact of spasms has really been redueced to minor strain/tightness. It's tough to say what to do until you know what's going on. Heat, stretch, and then ice is probably a safe thing to do. I've found that I can swim with my back spasm and it's relaxing b/c the water does more to support you an let some muscles relax. If you're in painful spasm don't swim hard. My back went Friday AM. I still went into the theme park and had a good day without too much pain...only felt my back upon rising out of a chair. By Sunday I was fine. Before swimming I'd be down for a day and then hobbling for a week. Go swim and feel yourself...if it hurts stop (I know, "duh!") if not keep going...I used bad back time to work on lenthening the stroke rather than speed. I avoid flips when back is tight too.

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Former Member — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:02:07 GMT

You have a heating pad? I had some bad back pain in March and with lots of Advil LiquiGels, would keep the pad on there as much as I could. Seemed to work ok. I'm not going to say Muppet is wrong, whatever works for the individual. I would go heat to relax and then ice to reduce inflammation. I used to hottub and feel great but wake up feeling even more stiff and immobile. When I use ice after heat that problem goes away. I also use ice outright--so please try both.

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Former Member — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:13:38 GMT

Kevin, hope the back is better. What did the doc say? He said its not stones as far as he can tell (from a urine test). He thinks they are muscle spasms and prescribed something to help me sleep and to call him if it doesn't get better with in a week and so he can run more tests. Kevin

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swimshark — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:39:40 GMT

As for the 50s themselves, they're a breeze. It's just strength, technique and execution. Sometimes you execute, sometimes not. There's no time for pain, unless Julie is referring to the psychic pain. :joker: Although when you're old, you're pretty sore the next day from the all out sprinting. Remember, Jules, I'm not the only one who said to do speedwork. :laugh2:;)! I have to disagree. Sprints can be painful. Painful to work that hard only to see real sprinters pass you by. Painful to have an 11 year old pass me during practice yesterday. Pain... pain...pain!! Kevin, hope the back is better. What did the doc say? Julie, hope to meet you at the sprint tri. Kristina, coming up in Aug is the Women's Tri in Acworth. It's a good sprint one www.gamultisports.com/index.html. My mom and dad volunteer for the guy who owns this company so they will be there working. Alison

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Muppet — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:01:21 GMT

You have a heating pad? I had some bad back pain in March and with lots of Advil LiquiGels, would keep the pad on there as much as I could. Seemed to work ok.

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Former Member — Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:39:33 GMT

Woa! I don't remember 50s ever hurting. They're over too fast.

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Former Member — Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:04:49 GMT

Thanks stud. I've hurt my back before and this feels way different. This started out feeling like my kidneys hurt (or at least that general area) and its been getting progressively worse to the point of my back feeling like it was cramping up at the base of my ribs. And it only happens at night. During the day I'm fine. My doctor's appointment is in an hour, so I hope he can shed some light on this. And more importantly avoid a repeat of last night. Kevin hope it's muscular and not stones...that can be like what you're describing too..especially if it's more when you lie down. Fingers crossed for you.