Breaststroke underwater

RE: Breaststroke underwater

Former Member — Tue, 15 May 2007 11:40:09 GMT

Ah, I understand now, I was misinterpreting the timing of the two hunches, I get it now, thanks a lot.

RE: Breaststroke underwater

Former Member — Tue, 15 May 2007 08:03:21 GMT

Just for clarification, is the second hunch initiated after the streamline phase before the outscull? Additionally, when it states the elbows the elbows are high pointing to the waters surface does this mean that you bend them before pulling?

RE: Breaststroke underwater

Allen Stark — Tue, 15 May 2007 07:11:27 GMT

Wayne and I use different terms but I think we are talking about the same thing. To me the first shrug is in the sreamline position. At that point you want your biceps pressed against you ears. The second shrug is at the transition from insweep to recovery.If you accelerate through the insweep into the recovery the shoulders will naturally shrug as you shoot your hands forward. As to the elbows,they should be high to get to EVF ASAP.The elbows bend through the outsweep and the stay about 90 degrees on the end sweep(actually starting a little more than 90 and ending a little less than 90,at least for me.)

RE: Breaststroke underwater

Former Member — Mon, 14 May 2007 14:33:07 GMT

I agree 100% with Allen. My turnover in my 50 is SOOO fast...I've got to find a way to totally reinvent my stroke. Lots of drills right now...McCauley's two hunch, 1 second glide, etc... I'm sure it will be easier to carry to the 200, but the 50? Man, adrenaline takes over...I go into the SPIIIINNNNNN cycle. Btw...good luck this weekend, Allen. Working to get my 30 posts so I can have an avatar...:party2: Mark In a 50 no hesitation between strokes.If you have a good kick make sure you do not overlap kick to pull and make sure you get completely streamlined before you begin your pull. In the 100 I think you definitely want to have some hesitation while you "ride the glide".One second seems long to me for 100,probably right for a 200. It really depends on how good your kick is and how good your streamlining is. I go by feel instead of counting(but I always count my SPL which gives me a good idea of my efficiency.) Practice with different amounts of glide and see what works best for you.Good Luck!

RE: Breaststroke underwater

Former Member — Mon, 14 May 2007 14:19:01 GMT

Skip, Check out his site: http://breaststroke.info/. Take a look at the bottom of Wayne's Article " What went wrong with the wave style Breaststroke" from American Swimming Magazine Volume 2004 Issue 1. Check out his PPT there, too. Good info. M Okay, I've seen a couple references to this "two hunch" thing. I recognize there is one hunch possible during the pullout after your underwater pull. Where is the second "hunch"? I have no hunch about where it might be. ;) Thx, Skip Montanaro

RE: Breaststroke underwater

smontanaro — Mon, 14 May 2007 10:57:51 GMT

Okay, I've seen a couple references to this "two hunch" thing. I recognize there is one hunch possible during the pullout after your underwater pull. Where is the second "hunch"? I have no hunch about where it might be. ;) Thx, Skip Montanaro

RE: Breaststroke underwater

Allen Stark — Sun, 13 May 2007 01:26:18 GMT

In a 50 no hesitation between strokes.If you have a good kick make sure you do not overlap kick to pull and make sure you get completely streamlined before you begin your pull. In the 100 I think you definitely want to have some hesitation while you "ride the glide".One second seems long to me for 100,probably right for a 200. It really depends on how good your kick is and how good your streamlining is. I go by feel instead of counting(but I always count my SPL which gives me a good idea of my efficiency.) Practice with different amounts of glide and see what works best for you.Good Luck!