Breaststroke Pullouts

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

Allen Stark — Tue, 15 May 2007 06:57:39 GMT

I agree it can be a confusing statement. The anchor points are the point where you transition from catch to pull. At that point you have anchoered your hands and are pulling your body past them. That nomenclature is used to emphasize that we are pulling our bodies through the water as opposed to pulling our hands through the water.As seen from the side,the hands should not move back(much.)

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

smontanaro — Tue, 15 May 2007 04:16:26 GMT

Finally got my issue yesterday and went straight to the pullout article. What are these "anchor points" the author referred to? Are they fixed points in the pool, fixed points on your body or something altogether different? I didn't see much text other than the captions accompanying the photos. Thx, Skip Montanaro

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

aquaFeisty — Sat, 12 May 2007 03:07:31 GMT

We STILL don't have ours!!! GAHHHH!!! :sad:

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

Former Member — Fri, 11 May 2007 10:52:00 GMT

I live in Michigan and still haven’t received my issue. Typically all my issues are late compared to others around the country. Why is there such a disparency in when we get them? As a breaststroker I'd really like to view this article and see first-hand what the discussion is all about.

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

Former Member — Fri, 11 May 2007 10:19:23 GMT

Thank you to all for the positive feedback on the May/June pictorial. I'm thrilled to know people enjoyed it and are talking about it. Dorothy, I'm particularly pleased to hear about how much your daughter is enjoying the magazine. Please tell her the guy on page 4 says if she continues swimming, she could be like Nadine and swim Masters. To answer the age-old question about when your magazines will arrive: sorry to be repetitive, but they are all mailed at the same time. If you receive your copy significantly later than everyone else, please check with your local post office. It's quite possible that they hold certain classes of periodicals for later delivery. Cheers! Bill PS: Alan, I tried to reply to your e-mail but it bounced.

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

smontanaro — Fri, 11 May 2007 07:38:12 GMT

Still waiting in Illinois... :violin: Skip

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

dorothyrde — Fri, 11 May 2007 07:32:38 GMT

Mine usually come farely late compared to others and I am in Illinois. I got it this week.

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

poolraat — Fri, 11 May 2007 06:39:13 GMT

Of course it's the postal service. The reached their peak with the Pony Express and it's been downhill ever since.

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

dorothyrde — Fri, 11 May 2007 06:31:45 GMT

My daughter(14) saw this article and actually grabbed the magazine and took it to school to read in her free time. She said there was other articles that she wanted to read as well. How cool is that. This is a kid I thought we were losing to swimming! She wants to know when the next issue comes out. It helps she knows and loves Nadine!

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

Frank Thompson — Thu, 10 May 2007 11:57:49 GMT

Allen: I am going to say no. In all of the USMS Long Distance swims I have attended I have never seen any marking device or float at the starting area to prevent and enforce this. Also in Article 303 in the USMS Rule Book, I did not find anything about being disqualified for this and that included 303.8 where they detail in sections 1 tru 10 on what infractions would warrant a disqualification. About the only way you could really enforce this is in Postal swims where you have lane markers with a color that has the 15 meter distance. I have never heard of anybody getting disqualified for a stroke infraction in an Open Water race like you would see in a Pool competition. What I have always found interesting is that in Long Distance Long Course Meter Postal Events (5K and 10K) that USMS does not follow the LCM FINA Rules about the age eligibility. Of course this would really mess up our USMS Postal Open Water competitions because the other postal swims (1 Hour, 3K, and 6K) are swam SCY and you would have swimmers not consistent with age requirements. I think the reason here is the same in that Open Water Rules are different that Pool Competition Rules.

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

Allen Stark — Thu, 10 May 2007 11:06:11 GMT

Thanks,I'm not sure why anyone would want to swim open water underwater,except that most of breaststroke is underwater each stroke.

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

Chris Colburn — Wed, 09 May 2007 12:47:15 GMT

As Carrie said, we haven't seen the final draft in print yet, because Illinois is among the last folks to get their copies (I wonder if there's something the publisher can do to improve the timing of the mailings)... For the folks who are looking for more details, I'm more than open to answering questions via email (there's only so much I could pack into 1500 words :) ). Anyway, thanks to everyone for your positive comments. They're very much appreciated!

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

smontanaro — Wed, 09 May 2007 11:52:01 GMT

I'm beginning to wonder where my issue is as well... Skip

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

FlyQueen — Wed, 09 May 2007 11:35:02 GMT

Carrie I was wondering when you would chime in. I was going to flat out admit my bias for both Chris & Nadine and declare it a superior article, with great pictures, and demonstartions with out having received my issue.

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

aquaFeisty — Wed, 09 May 2007 11:32:33 GMT

In my totally unbiased opinion, I thought the article turned out GREAT!! :woot: Unfortunately, I've only seen the PDF version. We still haven't received it in the mail yet and I think that Chris is going to storm the Post Office if it doesn't show up soon!

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

Allen Stark — Wed, 09 May 2007 07:32:45 GMT

On the subject of Swimmer,did anyone else notice the error in the 5 fast facts. They said free is any stroke but fly,back and ***. That only applies to Medleys so that 4 distict strokes are swum. Free events are just that,free,any stroke goes. Here is a question for the rule wonks,does the 15M underwater rule apply to open water events?

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

Former Member — Wed, 09 May 2007 05:53:09 GMT

Thank you for getting it right. Breaststroke has always been controlled by the rules, so you need to read them, and use them to your advantage. Both butterfly and breaststroke turns can be slightly faster (0ne to two tenths) by touching with one hand lower than the other. Just make sure you touch both at the same time.

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

chlorini — Wed, 09 May 2007 04:41:39 GMT

That's so interesting. Thank you for clarifying this for me. I really appreciate it!

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

poolraat — Wed, 09 May 2007 01:01:17 GMT

Wayne, I have a question. I thought that the rule for breaststroke was that you had to do a two-hand touch with the hands in the same horizontal plane. If you have one hand touch 6 inches lower than the other when you turn, will you get DQed? Wayne hasn't replied so I will. The interpretation of the rules doesn't require the hands to be in the same horizontal plane during the touch at turns or the finish. Only during the swim are the hands required to move in the same horizontal plane. It is allowed to have the hands at any orientation during the touch as long as both hands touch simultaneously.

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

Former Member — Tue, 08 May 2007 16:30:15 GMT

But I always want more:bow: I know Allen loves it and many others do it, the pulldown hunch. There should be a 3g, right after 3f many great breaststrokers hunch the shoulders together, and the hands end up inside the thighs. This hunch narrows the body restriction enough that some swimmers feel like they are shooting forwards. Important that this does not stay in the hunch position too long, because the next step actually has negative acceleration. Step 4a should be done explosively, as fast as possible as the bringing the heels to the butt slows you down to nearly a stop. Note the angle of Nadines knees to her body. Her very wide angle is perfect. Many swimmers knees drop straight down, nothing like a huge boat anchor. The only thing I would add would be an above water shot of 4a. The only time narrow knees are good is during this step, the least resistance the less stopping. Some great breaststrokers actually have their heels touching while they bring the heels up, so that everything is inside the body width. Also step 4b, many great breaststrokers do not point their feet backwards as Nadine does. So long as the feet are within the body width they are not not slowing down. Again great job Chris Colburn, Nadine Day and photographer Peter Bick

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

poolraat — Tue, 08 May 2007 12:34:53 GMT

As one who struggles with this stroke and wants to improve, I thought this article and the photos were super! Great job Chris, Nadine, and Peter.

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

Former Member — Tue, 08 May 2007 12:28:10 GMT

I haven't received mine yet. I guess I have something to look forward too. I haven't read a decent article (except here) in a long time.

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

Former Member — Tue, 08 May 2007 12:00:38 GMT

Any comments on the latest USMS Swimmer magazine and Nadine Day's pullouts? I for one thought the entire 5 pages were excellent, all the tips great. The photos are very clear, and Nadine has great form. Well done!! Great article...the Anchor points tip is helping me get a much better dolphin kick in. Starts, turns and pullouts still cost me a lot of time.

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

mattson — Tue, 08 May 2007 10:48:20 GMT

I haven't seen the article yet, either. I want to see if Chris uses the word umpah!! :drink:

RE: Breaststroke Pullouts

Former Member — Tue, 08 May 2007 09:34:27 GMT

I didn't tape them so I can't check, but I could swear Brendan Hansen did not use the Kitijima Cheat dolphin kick during the last World and Dual in the Pool races. I personally hate the rule, even if it is slightly faster. It is a butterfly motion, not a breaststroke motion.