Sprint vs. Distance

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Former Member — Wed, 02 May 2007 15:19:14 GMT

I would tell you but....

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Former Member — Wed, 02 May 2007 15:11:10 GMT

I did and it wasn't this :thhbbb: :thhbbb: George...I'm curious do you use the first and middle fingers as a visual offensive gesture in Canada or just the middle finger?

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Former Member — Wed, 02 May 2007 15:01:31 GMT

I know what I would have put up in response... I did and it wasn't this :thhbbb: :thhbbb:

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Former Member — Wed, 02 May 2007 14:41:48 GMT

Paul - When racing in a twenty eight mile race with 2 miles to go. I was exhausted and the crew in my boat put up a sign with only one word on it. SPRINT I know what I would have put up in response...

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Former Member — Wed, 02 May 2007 13:57:46 GMT

Paul - When racing in a twenty eight mile race with 2 miles to go. I was exhausted and the crew in my boat put up a sign with only one word on it. SPRINT

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swimr4life — Wed, 02 May 2007 12:59:55 GMT

All distance swimmers know that sprinters are just part timers that can start and turn. D-men rule! :blah: :thhbbb: :shakeshead: I'm so tired of this battle! :dedhorse: Haven't done a sprint quality workout before have you? They wear me out far faster than a long moderate effort workout.

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The Fortress — Wed, 02 May 2007 12:54:02 GMT

I'm with The Fortress. My 100s are close together (and I have been known to put in final 50s that are faster than my first), but that is because I am a wuss, not because I am a secret distance swimmer: my times drop off a lot from short to long and in practice the real distance swimmers take me out. In my mind further evidence includes the fact that my race and practice times are super far apart, likewise rested and unrested. Wuss pretty much sums it up. Although I do work hard in practice usually, unless I'm loafing or skipping the 400 frees. Obviously, sprinters can swim distance (and vice versa). We're in the water putting in a boatload of laps. We could if we want to, we just don't. We prefer to take the abuse as in post #2. I didn't get as much abuse when younger because I did swim a lot of middle distance events. In those days, everybody swam everything. Why, I apparently swam a 200 breaststroke I had forgotten about until recently. As to sprinters taking races out hard, the last time I took out a race fast, somewhat inadvertently (race inexperience), the last length was not a pretty sight. I think I would prefer 75s to 100s.

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knelson — Wed, 02 May 2007 10:44:18 GMT

Judging by the splits of the 200 and 400, you'd say I am a sprinter. Then you look at the 50 time :D It probably doesn't work for everyone. I would suggest, however, that was just a very poorly split 200. The 400 was better, but I think you went a little too fast on the first 100.

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Muppet — Wed, 02 May 2007 08:50:37 GMT

I am pretty skeptical of the even/negative splitting thing. I have mediocre, but solid races when I even split a 200+. The only way for me to go faster is to go harder on the first 100 - if I start any slower, the rest of the race will be slow as well. See worlds results: 50 free: 27.56 100 free: 28.93 1:00.04 (31.11) 200 free: 29.69 1:03.11 (33.42) 1:37.49 (34.38) 2:12.12 (34.63) - back half 1:09.01 400 free: 30.54 (30.54) 1:04.73 (34.19) 1:39.39 (34.66) 2:15.01 (35.62) -- 1:10.27 2:50.71 (35.70) 3:26.93 (36.22) -- 1:11.92 4:03.18 (36.25) 4:38.75 (35.57) -- 1:11.82 I am all about the "go out fast and see what happens" mentality (even for a 800/1000 or 1500/1650). There was no visible piano, and I certainly didn't feel like one came. Judging by the splits of the 200 and 400, you'd say I am a sprinter. Then you look at the 50 time :D

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Former Member — Tue, 01 May 2007 16:51:45 GMT

Borrow away, slowswim! And Senor Stud? You may be old, but you are a boy. And for some reason that defective little chromosone makes you swim faster. Probably less drag. Well you still have fly... ;) how's your backstroke...maybe there is neutral territory here someplace...

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Former Member — Tue, 01 May 2007 15:42:53 GMT

I totally agree! Nothing wears me out more than doing 200IM repeats. I think you get a better workout when you mix up strokes. A swimmer swims all strokes. End of story. As long as they're legally done. Laughability is just a bonus for your friends and teammates.

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Former Member — Tue, 01 May 2007 15:11:41 GMT

As earlier posts mentioned, workouts should be a variety of distances, stokes and speeds. I am a distance swimmer and mainly train for open water races. Until 2 years ago, I was adamant about swimming freestyle in workouts and grumbled anytime we did IMs. I read an article about Janet Evans training routine and she did lots of 200 and 400 IM repeats, claiming that the various strokes strengthened some opposing muscles and worked the core more than just doing free. It made me appreciate my age group swimming days when our coach forced us to swim all disciplines. Tree

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Former Member — Tue, 01 May 2007 14:55:09 GMT

Which reminds me, what did you end up going in the 100 IM? A poor 1:25...slower than my seed. It was too soon after the 200BR. I was in the top heat of the 200BR and there was maybe 5 heats of something inbetween my that and my IM...Elton John and Billy Joel gave a duet concert on my way home on the 25FR...LOL

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Former Member — Tue, 01 May 2007 14:37:28 GMT

I have seen many distance swimmers who can sprint quite well. Not as fast as the "drop dead" type, yet very fast. I haven't seen too many sprinters swim distance events that well. Just an observation.

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Former Member — Tue, 01 May 2007 14:34:14 GMT

I keep telling my coaches I am a spinter and they keep saying I swim short races, but that is not the same thing. I think I have a new motto. My I borrow it for my signature? I remember when I first went to a Masters Coach, she watched me swim and then said, "Oh great a fast swimmer; you're the worst to coach." A year later, I had to move; on my last day, I reminder her that she said that. Then I thanked her for curing me of being a fast swimmer.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Former Member — Tue, 01 May 2007 14:06:24 GMT

*GASP*...and I'm an old man...girl u better get to work ;) hehe I've now got to work on doing a 100FR without taking it out too easy... ...and hitting tight streamlines faster.

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Former Member — Tue, 01 May 2007 13:29:58 GMT

I saw your 50 free time. You are going to be a real swimmer soon! Zones or the CT Champs one?

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Former Member — Tue, 01 May 2007 13:21:36 GMT

Fellow? They are the part of the family we don't talk about. Didn't evolve. The baboons of the swimming world, if you will. Baboons will be appearing with loudhailers behind your block at future meets...:drink: In response to the sprint vs distance thing. I currently don't know what I am yet. Although I'm not that close to top times in any distance. I enjoy doing all the Breaststroke races! There should be more too, maybe a 500 and a 1000 even some relays would be good...especially if we keep the "kicking sticks" and "loud, petulant" short axis folks waiting around longer...

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some_girl — Tue, 01 May 2007 12:47:07 GMT

Borrow away, slowswim! And Senor Stud? You may be old, but you are a boy. And for some reason that defective little chromosone makes you swim faster. Probably less drag.

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swimr4life — Tue, 01 May 2007 11:33:31 GMT

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knelson — Tue, 01 May 2007 10:44:00 GMT

Zones or the CT Champs one? Which reminds me, what did you end up going in the 100 IM?

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some_girl — Tue, 01 May 2007 10:00:11 GMT

Zones or the CT Champs one? Whichever one you were bragging to Ande about. I think you've got me beat. Oh, and to address the question, I keep telling my coaches I am a spinter and they keep saying I swim short races, but that is not the same thing. Lol.

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Paul Smith — Tue, 01 May 2007 09:34:16 GMT

These two paragraphs seem contradictory, Mr. Smith. :thhbbb: You have the ideal build of a drop dead sprinter -- you're really, really tall. Fort, fort, fort.....don't buy into stereotypes! I may be tall....but I've got the engine of a middle-distance freestyler (and the slow twitch reaction times to boot)! By the way George.....nice call out on the "don't get your hair wet" breastroke technique......rumor has it that's how Mr. Commings actually picked that 'event"!

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some_girl — Tue, 01 May 2007 09:24:45 GMT

I saw your 50 free time. You are going to be a real swimmer soon!

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some_girl — Tue, 01 May 2007 09:20:42 GMT

Fly Queen,Quit picking on your fellow short axis brothers and sisters. Fellow? They are the part of the family we don't talk about. Didn't evolve. The baboons of the swimming world, if you will.