False start! Ouch.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:57:49 GMT

Way too much "I think" and "I believe" in this post. I agree. I think it's time to drop it and move on.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:52:45 GMT

I think that ians false start was partly the coaches falt. The coaches should have had the final relay set in stone because I think ian was trying to go a good time to get a spot on the relay becasuse phelps beat him in the 100 fly. Ian should have been on the final regardless of what happened becasue ian is a better 100 flyer than Michael. They were deffinatly going to put Phelps on the relay unless crocker went a great time in the prelims. I believe that either way ian should have been on the relay regardless of what happened because he is better than phelps at starting off of hansen becasue he has done it so many times, that would make up the .05 that phelps beat him by and then some. Last time phelps beat ian in the 100 fly, ian went the fastest fly split ever. But either way, if the people on the relay was set in stone ian or phelps would have taken it easy in the prelim relay and there would not have been a false start. Way too much "I think" and "I believe" in this post. There is every reason to believe the finals roster was set. Ian was NOT a better flyer than Phelps in Melbourne. Sorry. Phelps was .08 better. Remember too that Crocker could have done a great split without risking the start because the electronic timing system reports the reaction time or the delay of the relay start. If somehow Crocker had gone sub 50 he could still get credit for it without cutting the start too close. These guys are very experienced international swimmers. They know their job in prelims is simply to get to finals. The coaches probably reminded them anyways. Usher didn't push HIS start (.31 reaction time) too much. Unless Usher screwed up his finish/touch this falls on Crocker. He's a great competitor I have admired a long time but I don't see how you can look at it any other way.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:30:10 GMT

Warren, the finals were probably already set anyways.....Phelps beat Crocker - Phelps is in - Crocker is out. Crocker swims prelims and still gets a medal..... If I were coaching that's how I would have done it.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:16:01 GMT

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:05:42 GMT

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knelson — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:36:17 GMT

Warren, the finals were probably already set anyways.....Phelps beat Crocker - Phelps is in - Crocker is out. Agreed, and with the kind of meet Phelps was having, how could you possibly not let him swim finals?

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aquageek — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:30:57 GMT

This goes back to the fact that so many people are sucked into the thin is everything motto. I don't know about this. Seems many many more people are fat in America these days. I think a few more people need to be sucked into the fit is everything motto unfortunately. Generally if you are fit you are thin, generally.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:07:08 GMT

Thank you. Thank you. As I watched Worlds, 95% of the swimmers looked so very very tall. Most were rail thin too. But you are right about Janet Evans; Egersezki, the 200 backstroke WR holder, was tiny too. I agree with tburk. Phelps is the current world and olympic champion. As well as jumping on relays, I've also had plenty of lousy finishes. Just part of swimming. If you have a bad finish on a sprint, you should expect that you might lose. I don't think Phelps gave up his relay spot in finals at Athens because he acknowledged Ian was faster either. That's hilarious. Healthy is a much better choice of words, HWMNBN. Thin is generally good, but anorexic-thin is awful. I try not to use the word thin around my kids. Plenty of good substitutes. Generally, as you say, if you exercise a lot and eat well, you'll be fit and not have a huge side of beef. Looks like I better put on a few pounds then b/c I am feeling a bit anorexic these days....right! LOL! Newmastersswimmer

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 07:01:22 GMT

Hey Warren......give it up!!!!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I don't think you're convincing many of us around here...... Phelps beat Crocker....On that day Phelps was the World Champ - not Crocker.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:43:08 GMT

I think a few more people need to be sucked into the fit is everything motto unfortunately. Generally if you are fit you are thin, generally. I can't cast the first pull buoy because I've certainly false started. I'm not sure about this other comment though. Depends on how you define "thin," I think. Lots of masters swimmers are fit, but not real thin. Seems like a lot of people here would like to lose at least some weight. I would. So you could be fit from swimming but still stand to lose a few pounds. I do realize you said generally. And, my lurking memory may be off, but aren't you the fellow who Gull said lost a lot of weight in the last year or so despite being a pretty avid masters swimmer for awhile? I agree that more people should be sucked into the fit is everything motto though. And eat less sweets! :)

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:36:52 GMT

Hey Karen... Just joined this forum... Is Ryan Duggan your brother? I used to swim with him... JM

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:26:11 GMT

Does anyone know what Crocker split? I read somewhere that he wants to be the first guy to record a 49. (IE faster than one of the legs in the finals of the 400 free relay in Athens...oh wait, I think that was him too!). EDIT: I agree with whoever said that it is an upset when Phelps beats Crocker in the 100 fly

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:18:06 GMT

Way too much "I think" and "I believe" in this post. There is every reason to believe the finals roster was set. Ian was NOT a better flyer than Phelps in Melbourne. Sorry. Phelps was .08 better. Remember too that Crocker could have done a great split without risking the start because the electronic timing system reports the reaction time or the delay of the relay start. If somehow Crocker had gone sub 50 he could still get credit for it without cutting the start too close. These guys are very experienced international swimmers. They know their job in prelims is simply to get to finals. The coaches probably reminded them anyways. Usher didn't push HIS start (.31 reaction time) too much. Unless Usher screwed up his finish/touch this falls on Crocker. He's a great competitor I have admired a long time but I don't see how you can look at it any other way. 1. 6 PHELPS Michael 85 USA 0.72 23.99 50.77 2. 4 CROCKER Ian 82 USA 0.73 23.56 50.82 0.05 crocker had one of the worst finsh of his professional career so phelps beating crocker was... I don't want to say fluke but its definatly an upset every time phelps wins. Why do you think phelps gave up his spot in athens. Even after ian's terible leg in the freestyle relay the usa still let him on the meadly relay because ian is the best fly relay swimmer in the world and still is.

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The Fortress — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:21:25 GMT

Gosh, the first time I watched the GREAT Steve Clark (who swam for Yale) blow the doors off a WR sprint when I was a kid, then looked at his huge barrel chest, I wondered how the heck he did that. Thin is not always fastest....same holds for tall. Heck, look at the GREAT Janet Evans's records that still stand years later and she was not that tall. Thank you. Thank you. As I watched Worlds, 95% of the swimmers looked so very very tall. Most were rail thin too. But you are right about Janet Evans; Egersezki, the 200 backstroke WR holder, was tiny too. I agree with tburk. Phelps is the current world and olympic champion. As well as jumping on relays, I've also had plenty of lousy finishes. Just part of swimming. If you have a bad finish on a sprint, you should expect that you might lose. I don't think Phelps gave up his relay spot in finals at Athens because he acknowledged Ian was faster either. That's hilarious. Healthy is a much better choice of words, HWMNBN. Thin is generally good, but anorexic-thin is awful. I try not to use the word thin around my kids. Plenty of good substitutes. Generally, as you say, if you exercise a lot and eat well, you'll be fit and not have a huge side of beef.

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aquageek — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:04:31 GMT

SweetGirl - Maybe I should have said healthy as opposed to thin as thin can carry some bad connotations these days. Yes, I have lost weight and am an avid swimmer but I'm a much fitter person and enjoying swimming a lot more without that extra side of beef I was lugging around.

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aquageek — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:07:05 GMT

I think it was a false start, not some sort of gigantic mistake or conspiracy. I've never seen so much made of an everyday swimming occurence. Let he/she who is without a DQ cast the first pull buoy.

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Former Member — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:48:47 GMT

I have found that the best way to get people to stop reading and posting is to write love poems to each other in threads. That meaty enough fer ya? I was going to tell Karen to just get you on the thread...discord and closure are guaranteed after that. You want onions with your steak? :thhbbb:

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Former Member — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:31:02 GMT

OR you could just stop reading and posting to the thread. This way you are less likely to be banned from the forum. Hahahaha that's a classic zing...

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Former Member — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:25:18 GMT

Mr. heather...your post was dead on.....IMHO

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Former Member — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:23:59 GMT

Karen....Simply mention the "dark one"....with even one sentence to it...and that should do it!

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Former Member — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:06:23 GMT

Fat or skinny, he is still the world's fastest 100 LCM butterflyer.

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Former Member — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:58:01 GMT

How does one go about closing a thread? :( You could go back to your first post and edit the subject to "Part-time masters coach wanted in Sarnia, Ontario" ;)

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Former Member — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:53:07 GMT

How does one go about closing a thread? :( Start a heated debate that involves personal attacks, sexual innuendo, profanity, etc. Or you could PM a moderator.

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Former Member — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:37:38 GMT

My last post on this subject. I mentioned Crocker, almost on an aside to Leslie, as having a "slight" chubby look in his face. This I perceived from pictures on the internet, and from a couple of TV viewings. I didn't ever imply he has excess weight or that it has anything to do with the false start. I was joking! This is a masters forum. Many times, not so much at the national level, but at community levels, or club levels, you will see former fast swimmers who have put on weight and are still fast. Most fitness swimmers and swimmers over 40 are always dealing with weight problems. It is not Crocker's problem. He is chubby as Charles Barkley is chubby, just an impression. Sorry again if I made the false statement Crocker is overweight or that he had some weight problems in his false start. This happens on internet message boards, forums, you can't type in a smile or a joking statement. Whatever, billy fanstone

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Former Member — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:09:07 GMT

Michael, I disagree with your entire second paragraph.