Whack-a-swimmer?!?

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Former Member — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:07:04 GMT

Go whack em and I'll bring a crate of Twizzlers for you to zones... ;) Deal Stud, but remember, I'm there to swim--not sink! Just hold the open bag at the end of the pool so the scent draws me toward them. Like dangling a carrot in front of a horse... Sorry for the minor hijack. Dana

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Former Member — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:20:59 GMT

Whack-a-media is what I want. Argh! Go whack em and I'll bring a crate of Twizzlers for you to zones... ;)

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Former Member — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:15:44 GMT

The fact that the incident happened in a public forum is bad. If it is a family matter, Dad (he is the adult after all) should have had enough sense to discuss it at a later time. Win or lose, the pool is not the right place to have that discussion. I mean, "That was a great swim, a PB time! Now, about your boyfriend...." Really??? Why would a parent do that on deck? What really makes me sick though, is that I have not seen any coverage of actual SWIMMING from Worlds on TV, and it has barely been mentioned on the local news. Yet, this crap has been picked up by every local station, and they even covered it on the Early Show (CBS) this morning!:frustrated: why, Why, WHY is this a bigger event than the WR, gold medal performances that our swimmers are putting up daily?:mad: :mad: :mad: Whack-a-media is what I want. Argh!

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Former Member — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:28:28 GMT

I clocked a guy once, and I've always regretted it. I was in grad school, at a party around 1am, and stone sober. This fellow took exception to my response to his offer, he slapped me hard, and without thinking about it, I made a fist and punched in in the nose/cheek enough to give him a nosebleed. I've always felt terrible that I lost control and in anger, hurt someone. I wasn't alone and in danger. My first instinct at feeling threatened was to strike back. Not a proud moment, but an important moment of self-revelation. The truly sad part about this is that even though many people witnessed the entire incident, no one made a big deal about this fellow slapping me. The big deal was that sweet, nice Barb W. took a piece out of this poor drunken guy. I walked the halls to the tune of "Rocky" for days after. Family business or not, hitting another person unless in true self-defense is uncalled for. For me, it's case closed. The thing about the video Barb was that I never saw the dad actually "hit" his daughter. The daughter kind of flailed at the dad as if to make some attempt at hitting him....the dad looked to me as if he just grabbed her arms (maybe b/c she was flailing them at him??) and kind of tussled / wrestled a bit with her (but no throw downs or anything like that)...the girl broke free from her dad's grasps and flailed a bit more. Hardly a "hitting" brawl IMO. Certainly nothing like what you or LBJ described. It was difficult to see exactly what the father was doing though since his back was turned to the camera for most of the tussling....BUT looking at it several times, I couldn't see any hitting of any kind coming from the dad...The only thing I saw that resembled any hitting was these weak attemts made by the daughter by flailing her arms at her dad. Someone correct me if I saw this wrong??? Newmastersswimmer BTW If you want to get whacked so bad Rich, come on down to Tennessee and I will use you as my personal whacking bag for a while....Us Tennessee/Texas ruffians always enjoy dishing out a good whooping...especially when it involves an Englishman LOL! (Only j/k Rich! I will have to wait to Whack you a few times until after we race next season....hows that?...Does that work well enough for you? LOL!)

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Karen Duggan — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:10:04 GMT

This is truly getting gossipy on my part, but I just had to share something else I thought I read. The swimmer's mother (coach's wife) apparently "found something out" about who the swimmer was dating back at home, and decided to call dad/coach at World's and let him know. One word, if you have any knowledge of the importance of the Worlds- DUH! Who in their right mind would cause that kind of disruption? Seems mom has some poor judgment as well...

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:57:21 GMT

Blech. This is why I don't bother with the news anymore. I'm on a strictly Daily Show diet. It's sad that something like a family dispute overshadows the HUGE swims that have happened.

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:54:13 GMT

Well maybe we can all whack each other at the dinner...it might help get us psyched up for the next day's swimming! :rofl: :frustrated: "Faster!" "Faster!" "Faster!"

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:28:57 GMT

From the video on YouTube it looks like she hit first after he grabbed her towel, and it just got out of hand from there. It looks like they both overreacted. Who knows why, but it's sad it went that far. We have a understood rule in my family about children mouthing off or hitting their parents... It begins with... "I don't care how old or big you are..." That's what I see in this case. Now if you show me him closed fist hitting her then I'll say it's abuse...other than that it's familial conflict in an inappropriate venue--no hitting isn't good but kids running amok and doing what they like is worse for everyone else. The fact we're still discussing it highlights why the media jump on this nonsense to make news.

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:23:58 GMT

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:42:46 GMT

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:10:17 GMT

Leonard. I admire your chivalry, or good sense. I've only ever gotten one "conflict caused" black eye in my life...from a Woman (no Bork, not for what you think). Fuming as I was I told my friends to get their stuff as we were leaving the party...and I was the driver...I was worried about my eye closing. The only reason, in a situation like the one you described with the booting, that would stop me from knocking her out cold, is that she would get sympathy from the Police, and you a night in the cells at minimum. Other than that she was no longer a woman in my eyes when she assailed you in such a fashion. However we're now entering a different realm from what was posted. I could not see punches; more like a tussle...and both slapping each oher...who knows what it was about, or what was going on. He should definitely not coach his daughter though. It was a family issue, and I know first hand that some eastern European families can get fired up quick. We seem to be a little defensive today eh Rich LOL! Hmmmm I can only guess as to what may have transpired there.....but then again, maybe she just didn't like Englishmen? And LBJ....Wow! Had to get dressed in the street eh? You've definitely had your bad luck there with some real psychos! I've had my fair share of bad dates, but nothing like that ....now I just follow orders like every good husband should I suppose LOL! To be on topic: Its too bad that had to happen....but I didn't see any actual hitting really....they tussled a bit, she certainly didn't look all that scared to me. Looked to me like an argument that got a little out of hand. He tried to console her shortly after the incedent and she pushed him away. I think IMO it would be best for the media to drop this story soon and get back to the WR swims. I wish the very best for the father and daughter ....sounds like they are ready to put it past them and move on....so hopefully so will the media. Newmastersswimmer

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:56:10 GMT

And I heard on the news this afternoon that she had LOST and not made finals and her dad went ballistic. There seems to be a lot of misinformation in the news. The incident occurred before the start of the evening events and the swimmer herself said that it was about her boyfriend. It seems to me that a lot of news reports are very quick to jump to conclusions without actually knowing the context. "He would never hurt me. He's a wonderful father. He loves me. He worries about me a lot." Swimmer, father beg to be reunited

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:35:01 GMT

And I heard on the news this afternoon that she had LOST and not made finals and her dad went ballistic. donna

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:15:41 GMT

Aw jeez. Now that would be truly ridiculous. How about we have a round of whack-a-master? Hey Matt...*WHACK* ;)

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:14:32 GMT

I don't know how true it is but CNN is reporting that the altercation was over her dating someone her dad didn't like. And she had just gotten out of the pool and had won (her heat I'm assuming). Alison Aw jeez. Now that would be truly ridiculous.

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:04:39 GMT

Good call about being off topic SwimStud. My fault and I do apologize. Regarding the original topic, I don't know how illegal any of it was but without question it was entirely inappropriate. At home or on a pool deck. Definitely not at a meet. At home...depends on the rules of the house. If she lives there she should do as he says etc. I just think that a family issue has now become a big media story and the man will get perhaps more punishment than fits the "crime" because of the focus. He my just have been trying to get his kid to do as she was told, and it got out of hand.

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:57:49 GMT

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:53:19 GMT

If the only way to save your life or prevent severe injury to yourself is to clock a woman, well, OK. But if that is the case, let me gently suggest that you might give some thought as to your relationships. Other than that, even if you do get smacked a bit, so what - walk away. (Or run away. Fast.) In college and grad school I was a poster child for "Smart Men Who Date Psychotic Women" and I never had to hit anyone. That includes one who was paranoid schizophrenic, another who, during an intimate moment, decided she should resolve her gay/straight issues by raking her nails across my eyes and another who tricked me into a position where I couldn't get away and proceeded to use a heavy boot on my ribs, severely brusing several. (Can you see where my love distance swimming has its origins?) In the latter case, when I finally got away, I exited the house carrying my clothing and got dressed in the middle of the street about 2 blocks away. But no hitting. -LBJ Leonard. I admire your chivalry, or good sense. I've only ever gotten one "conflict caused" black eye in my life...from a Woman (no Bork, not for what you think). Fuming as I was I told my friends to get their stuff as we were leaving the party...and I was the driver...I was worried about my eye closing. The only reason, in a situation like the one you described with the booting, that would stop me from knocking her out cold, is that she would get sympathy from the Police, and you a night in the cells at minimum. Other than that she was no longer a woman in my eyes when she assailed you in such a fashion. However we're now entering a different realm from what was posted. I could not see punches; more like a tussle...and both slapping each oher...who knows what it was about, or what was going on. He should definitely not coach his daughter though. It was a family issue, and I know first hand that some eastern European families can get fired up quick.

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The Fortress — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:51:26 GMT

It made the 10 pm news, just saw it. No mention of swim races though and they barely mentioned what meet it was. Blech. This is why I don't bother with the news anymore.

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Julie Roddin — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:46:54 GMT

I watched two hours of coverage on Fox tonight without seeing this mentioned. It made the 10 pm news, just saw it. No mention of swim races though and they barely mentioned what meet it was.

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:46:09 GMT

If the only way to save your life or prevent severe injury to yourself is to clock a woman, well, OK. But if that is the case, let me gently suggest that you might give some thought as to your relationships. Other than that, even if you do get smacked a bit, so what - walk away. (Or run away. Fast.) In college and grad school I was a poster child for "Smart Men Who Date Psychotic Women" and I never had to hit anyone. That includes one who was paranoid schizophrenic, another who, during an intimate moment, decided she should resolve her gay/straight issues by raking her nails across my eyes and another who tricked me into a position where I couldn't get away and proceeded to use a heavy boot on my ribs, severely brusing several. (Can you see where my love distance swimming has its origins?) In the latter case, when I finally got away, I exited the house carrying my clothing and got dressed in the middle of the street about 2 blocks away. But no hitting. -LBJ Yikes, you've had some rough relationships! Nothing like that here, that is for sure. Thank God. I guess I just saw your statement as a little absolute and I wanted to share that I can't make such an absolute statement. If broken bones or wounds that require more than neosporin and a band-aid are possible..well, you have to take some action for your own well being. Hopefully, and most likely, this series of circumstances will never materialize.

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The Fortress — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:38:06 GMT

I watched two hours of coverage on Fox tonight without seeing this mentioned. I hope it is not "the" story of the meet. As Jim Clemmons said, I think this is a case of whack-a-dad. Good reason why dad should not be coach. Dad should not be discussing boyfriends right before a race -- control yourself and take it up later in private. It was pretty inappropriate at that venue in front of a crowd. But she looked pretty adept at whacking to me in that vid. It didn't look like a first time occurence. I don't think anyone needs to get whacked. But if it's the culture, whack in private if you really must, not before a national audience so that you end up on youtube. If you have to whack in public, don't complain about the publicity backlash. The guy should not be expelled for life for that. I think what Skip Kenney did was worse and more of an abuse of what he considered unquestioned power. This guy apparently freaked out that his daughter was having "boy" issues and she freaked out back. Bad overreaction. Very unfortunate. Hardly newsworthy. Better for US Weekly or some other tabloid. It's interesting the dad is taking all the heat. What about the swimmer? Was her behavior so great? If my kid did that, she would be tossed from her travel meet faster than I could blink. Barb: If some guy actually slapped me hard, I'd be hard pressed not to slap back. That's unacceptable. If I was alone or in danger, I wouldn't think twice about it if it would help the situation. Happened to me once in law school when I was getting out of my car. I launched a well placed kick, heard screaming and ran. No regrets. LBJ: I'm glad you gave up the psychotic women and got a cool wife who worries about your dreams of swimming off into the distance ...

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:24:43 GMT

Who says? In this case you are clearly correct. However, if I am getting flogged by a woman I am sure as hell going to defend myself. I am all about respect for women but I am more about respect for myself. Sorry. If the only way to save your life or prevent severe injury to yourself is to clock a woman, well, OK. But if that is the case, let me gently suggest that you might give some thought as to your relationships. Other than that, even if you do get smacked a bit, so what - walk away. (Or run away. Fast.) In college and grad school I was a poster child for "Smart Men Who Date Psychotic Women" and I never had to hit anyone. That includes one who was paranoid schizophrenic, another who, during an intimate moment, decided she should resolve her gay/straight issues by raking her nails across my eyes and another who tricked me into a position where I couldn't get away and proceeded to use a heavy boot on my ribs, severely brusing several. (Can you see where my love distance swimming has its origins?) In the latter case, when I finally got away, I exited the house carrying my clothing and got dressed in the middle of the street about 2 blocks away. But no hitting. -LBJ

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:53:25 GMT

I, being a woman, thoroughly depend on my husband's sense of chivalry, etc. that he won't hit me back. When he teases me I give him a good whack. Of course that's all in fun- I agree, men don't hit women, women can hit women though! A good cat fight is always entertaining! :woot: Indeed. The hits you describe are lacking malice. My wife subjects me to those now and again.

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Former Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:51:52 GMT

I should add that an employee of mine has an abusive ex wife. I have seen him come in many times with bruises and cuts on his face. Restraining orders have been issued and she has been to jail a time or two but what it boils down to is that the police really tend to believe her more than him. In their eyes, these wounds are from his friends who "play rough". Were I in his shoes, she would have a fight on her hands after the first time or two.