Breaststroke Pullout Q's

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Former Member — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:38:28 GMT

Huh? .......... On the underwater pull. Pull hands down to between legs and shrug shoulders...well it's a variation you can try.

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knelson — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:10:30 GMT

On the underwater pull. Pull hands down to between legs and shrug shoulders...well it's a variation you can try. I've never seen that technique.

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Former Member — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 05:14:43 GMT

I've never seen that technique. I read it on Wayne's website somewhere.

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knelson — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:57:15 GMT

and pull down your hands between your legs... Huh? ..........

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:19:52 GMT

and pull down your hands between your legs...

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:02:44 GMT

Anyway, check out the May/June issue of SWIMMER. In it will be (or so they tell me) a technique article I wrote on the dolphin breaststroke pullout, as well as some drills to help you improve your distance off the walls, your ability to judge depth, and your transitions into the swimming portion of each length.. so keep an eye out for the article, and don't hesitate to ask questions! Thanks!! I'll definately keep an eye out for that article.

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:44:08 GMT

My problem is in the UW pullout not while actually swimming, as I'm bring my hands back underneath my body after the initial pulldown, just before the breakout stroke. Maybe I should copy my questions over to the "Ask Ande" thread. ah, in my experience that's a timing thing that you can practice...if the angle is too steep to the surface you'll slow right up...at least that's what causes my "stop"... I'm gonna delete my long winded explanation from before lol

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:04:23 GMT

Amended answer below

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Allen Stark — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:02:29 GMT

Yes,practice it over and over. You can work on your breath control by practice. One workout a week do the pullout on every turn especially free after a flip turn. As you pulldown remember to shrug your shoulders for streamlining. Practice will get you the right depth. If you push off too deep kick your self up a little on the dolphin kick. If you are too shallow make sure you don't go up at the pulldown.Also remember you don't have to break the surface until the beginning of the insweep on your first regular pull.You have less drag underwater than on the surface and you really aren't using much energy as you glide,so use it.I find if I think of the the gliding as resting it's easier to go further.

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Allen Stark — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:16:49 GMT

Be careful of your hands and arms on the recovery. Make sure they are right next to your body to minimize drag.Some slow down at that point is inevitable,but work on staying streamlined to minimize it.

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Chris Colburn — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:39:44 GMT

I wish I had seen this thread before I turned in my final draft (see below)... Breath holding exercises can be done any number of ways... you can try to do double pullouts, or do some 25s where the first half of the length is underwater, and the second half is swimming. The latter drill is nice because you don't necessarily have to do breaststroke to work on breath holding, and it still transfers nicely into improving the ability to stay underwater on the pullouts when needed. Depth on the pullouts is a function of foot placement on the wall and your ability to push straight off the wall (or slightly downward, depending on your preference) and maintain the streamline until the hands separate for the initial catch. These factors lead directly to where you end up after taking the first pull and dolphin kick. In other words, you need to push off deep enough and practice maintaining a consistent depth through the first stages of the pullout (that requires some momentum, so make sure those pushoffs are strong!) As some of the other folks on the thread have mentioned, a lot of being able to judge depth underwater is simply a matter of practice. It literally took me years to get to a point where my pullout transitions were consistently at the right depth/time in the 50 and 100 ***, and there are still days when I make a mess of it. Anyway, check out the May/June issue of SWIMMER. In it will be (or so they tell me) a technique article I wrote on the dolphin breaststroke pullout, as well as some drills to help you improve your distance off the walls, your ability to judge depth, and your transitions into the swimming portion of each length.. so keep an eye out for the article, and don't hesitate to ask questions!

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poolraat — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:36:44 GMT

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poolraat — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:43:07 GMT

I'm going to use this thread to ask another question about the pullout. I'm not a very good breaststroker although I am trying to improve. I notice that as I am recovering my arms and just before I kick I seem to slow way down, almost to a stop, then I kick and squirt away again. It's almost like the movement of my hands and arms as they go beneath my chest is causing this. My legs are still in streamline when I see this, just before I start the kick cycle. How can I eliminate this slowdown?

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Former Member — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:40:24 GMT

. Any ideas for lung exercises too would be awesome. I do 4 x 25 underwater. Don't fully recover...it's just a mental thing of controlling that breathe reflex a little while.

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Former Member — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:39:46 GMT

You want to stop the glide and begin your pullout when your speed slows. In other words, don't allow your underwater speed to drop below that of your stroking speed on the surface. I don't swim much *** but every length I swim gets a proper pullout...or at least an attempt at proper. Practice makes perfect. Just from watching good *** racers it seems that the pullout can really make or break a race. If you are racing somebody who has no real pullout, just a dive and glide, your pullout is going to give you a marked advantage.

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Former Member — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:34:19 GMT

I don't think there's any substitute for just doing it over and over again. I was afraid of that. It's just so boring! Another thing I thought off too, when I do get a good pull, I can glide way farther than I can hold my breath. Any ideas for lung exercises too would be awesome.

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Former Member — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:46:14 GMT

I'm just learning these formally (I taught myself a few years ago) and consequently suck at the pullout. I always mess up the timing and I"m almost always too deep, especially from a dive. So two questions: 1) Any tips for reading depth? Breaking out to early, or feet brushing the surface are my biggest problems. 2) In a race, is it better to risk a pullout and possible DQ, or just do a streamline off the walls? I feel like I can go almost as far on a good streamline as a pullout, and streamline don't usually have messy outcomes. Thanks!!!! You don't have to pullout with the dolphin pull and kick. At lest that's how I read it. I've messed up a BR200 and not done the SDK or pull before...just come up off the glide stroking. I try for "glide-onethousand, 2-onethousand, 3-onethousand, start pull and SDK-onethousand, arms to streamline, kick (fingers point up to lift) pull and break surface. I may not be the best...but it's a routine.

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knelson — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:58:25 GMT

1) Any tips for reading depth? Breaking out to early, or feet brushing the surface are my biggest problems. I don't think there's any substitute for just doing it over and over again.

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Former Member — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:18:02 GMT

In a race, is it better to risk a pullout and possible DQ, or just do a streamline off the walls? Kyra, you want to do a pullout whenever possible, but if this is not working for you the whole idea is to avoid the turbulence created at the end of the pool by going under the water. Your best bet is to practice at race speed starting around the flags and until the pullout to get an idea of your angle, depth and feel for the pullout. Now that I'm older, fatter, slower (and wiser - ha ha) I can't do a pullout unless the race is 50-100 yards. In the 200 IM, I am too winded. Ultimately I want to do a great pullout for each turn, but I don't let it prevent me from swimming a race. Practice, practice and more practice! :banana:

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FlyQueen — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 04:11:35 GMT

You don't have to pullout with the dolphin pull and kick. At lest that's how I read it. I've messed up a BR200 and not done the SDK or pull before...just come up off the glide stroking. I try for "glide-onethousand, 2-onethousand, 3-onethousand, start pull and SDK-onethousand, arms to streamline, kick (fingers point up to lift) pull and break surface. I may not be the best...but it's a routine. NO SDKING in ***, one dolphin kick with the pull is okay, but nothing more!! Careful not to get a DQ!

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Muppet — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 03:34:34 GMT

I'm just learning these formally (I taught myself a few years ago) and consequently suck at the pullout. I always mess up the timing and I"m almost always too deep, especially from a dive. So two questions: 1) Any tips for reading depth? Breaking out to early, or feet brushing the surface are my biggest problems. 2) In a race, is it better to risk a pullout and possible DQ, or just do a streamline off the walls? I feel like I can go almost as far on a good streamline as a pullout, and streamline don't usually have messy outcomes. Thanks!!!! 1 - if you push off deep and push off angled downward, you'll eliminate the early breakout and feet brushing surface thing. the more you practice that, the better you'll get at figuring out how deep you are, etc. 2 - you get to pull your arms all the way to your waist in a pullout. way faster than the hearts you have to make the rest of the way. I say do the pullout every lap! practice it a lot!

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aquaFeisty — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:43:47 GMT

Practice, practice! I don't use a board when I kick ***, so off every wall when kicking is another opportunity to work on the pullout. Do a search through these forums for the thread about the 50 *** article. I think Allen and Wayne both had some really good tips about the pullout, depth, time under, etc. Good luck! Carrie