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Former Member — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:06:46 GMT

Quote: Originally Posted by ande the wicked way: going for it, bat out of hell, turbo legs, take it out hard and hope you can get home That is the best way to swim a 500 free posted by Muppet 500 free eh? I was thinking that was the best way to swim a 10K open water race actually....Can you just imagine the pain...LOL!!:rofl: :rofl: Newmastersswimmer p.s. Isalndox....Please don't use this strategy when swimming your 18 mile marathon!!.....Oh yaeh...And Heather, try not to think of me in a speedo before your next 100 fly race and maybe you won't hyperventilate so much before the race...LOL!!:rofl:

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:13:56 GMT

Woo hoo! That looks like a fun quality workout! I may have to do that this week! :groovy: Originally Posted by The Fortress forums.usms.org/.../viewpost.gif "Believe it or not, you can train to race 50s by doing sprints of half that distance in practice. Apart from warm-up and warm-down, this need be your only set. It is staggeringly simple: 8 x 25 kick, a full recovery, and then 16 x 25 swim. The key is to use long rest intervals, with a work-to-rest ratio of at least 1:4. Otherwise, lactate build-up will hamper your explosiveness." If 1:4 is good, then 1:40 (work-to-rest) should be ten times as good. I think I'll give that a try. (I might spend 3 hours doing 10 x 25's (No, I didn't do the math) or one hour doing a couple of 25's, but if that's what it takes, I'll make the sacrifice).:dunno:

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:15:25 GMT

Thanks guys for all the comments. I might try that sprint set soon too!

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The Fortress — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:43:01 GMT

Fort....the 200 free is the "Holy Grail" of swimming....speed, power, endurance and tons of lactic all rolled into one! No it's not!!! Blech. I think the 400 IM is the "Holy Grail" of swimming. I don't have the endurance or engine at the moment for either your Holy Grail or mine, so I'm sticking with the sprints. You and FlyQueen can have that 200 free all to yourselves. I hate that event. :thhbbb: :thhbbb: :thhbbb: If you gotta do a 200, it might as well be IM or fly. Freestyle is such a dull stroke.

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FlyQueen — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:00:49 GMT

First, I must say if I could swim a 200 *** in 2:40 I'd be beside myself ... and to think that is out of shape for some ... :dedhorse: Anyway, I must also add the hyperventilating before a 100 fly is NOT recomended, it leads to pain and discomfort within the first 25 yards and makes for a miserable race ... (which included a VERY illegal flutter kick for about 6 kicks which said person was not dq'd for by some miracle of GOD) ... this, uh ... didn't happen to me, but uh ... some other girl ... yeah .. :shakeshead: What and idiot!

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:25:39 GMT

ahh in 2 weeks my FR200 will be published. Mine will be at a stop and smell the water lillies pace...

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Allen Stark — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:56:20 GMT

I'll tell you the wrong way to swim the 200 BR. 2 years ago in a meet in CA I was in lane 3 with a 2:32 seed and there was a guy in my age group with a 2:33 seed in lane 6.I was hoping for a 2:30 going out in 1:13 back in 1:17,but I didn't want to let the guy in lane 6 get too far ahead.On the dive my goggles filled with water(first time in years).None the less I was determined to keep up with the guy in lane 6. At the 100 I was feeling amazingly tired but I was still with the guy. At the 125 I was dead but somehow managed to finish. I found the guy in lane 6 in the warmup pool(when I managed to crawl to it.)He said "man I'm out of shape,I swam a 2:40. I thought,if he swam a 2:40 what did I swim. It turns out with my goggles full of water I was racing the guy in lane 5 who did a 2:22 and was 20 years younger than I. I amazingly did my 2:32 splitting 1:09-1:23,not the way to swim it!!!

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Paul Smith — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:33:29 GMT

It seems that people often look at engine building and technique as an either/or situation......as I've said here often it doesn't matter what your specialty is you need to have a base and should pay attention to technique 100% of the time..... Fort....the 200 free is the "Holy Grail" of swimming....speed, power, endurance and tons of lactic all rolled into one!

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:52:13 GMT

Swimming the 200 (any stroke) takes a bit of bravery....especially if it's started off with a strong pace. Anyone can charge hard on a 50...but swimming four of them fast takes guts. Those 7th & 8th laps are a test of the engine for sure. :)

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:50:07 GMT

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:58:10 GMT

200's of any stroke are tough but my two cents on Holy Grail type of events, 200FLY. I aspire to be able to do that event again. Right now I am only good to 50 yards of fly. I look at it as being 1/4th the ws there. If you can do the 200 fly you can do any event. Got Boost

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Muppet — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:54:16 GMT

the wicked way: going for it, bat out of hell, turbo legs, take it out hard and hope you can get home That is the best way to swim a 500 free:banana:

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:52:58 GMT

Allen Stark;83146 Here we go again,everyone knows that their favorite event is the best event. I guess we all have two different kinds of favorite events. a) our best and b) the one(s) we prefer to watch (Thank whatever Gods may be, for the invention of Video and DVD) performed by the best there is: 200m Fr Ian Thorpe 400m Fr Ian Thorpe 1500m Fr Grant Hackett Flys and IMs Michael Phelps etc..........Cheers

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:45:08 GMT

No it's not!!! Blech. I think the 400 IM is the "Holy Grail" of swimming. I don't have the endurance or engine at the moment for either your Holy Grail or mine, so I'm sticking with the sprints. You and FlyQueen can have that 200 free all to yourselves. I hate that event. :thhbbb: :thhbbb: :thhbbb: If you gotta do a 200, it might as well be IM or fly. Freestyle is such a dull stroke. I love the 200 free! (even though I pretty much suck at it though...LOL!) I find the 100 free to be much more exhausting for some reason....I feel I have to practically sprint the entire 100 all out from the beggining to the end whereas I can stretch the first 100 of a 200 out a bit and conserve a little energy for the 2nd 100 (although you still have to go out fairly fast on the first 100.....its a controlled sprint....so you can be both smooth and fairly relaxed on the first 100 but still fairly fast as well)....the second 100 won't be too bad if you have a sufficient engine (which of course depends on your training) and you have saved enough on the first 100....When I swim a 200 in an optimal fashion, I feel smooth and relatively relaxed throughout the entire 200....it actually feels pretty good....whereas I always feel exhausted and out of gas at the end of an all out 100. I guess its all a matter of perspective? Newmastersswimmer

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knelson — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:31:18 GMT

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:21:58 GMT

Ribbit, Ribbit!!!!!! Semper Frog? LOLOL "ooh raaaaaaaaaaark!" ;) I also enjoy watching ones that have a little endurance and mental tenacity thrown in there with speed and power. Yes, 100 ***...finally you agree! :D

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Paul Smith — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:16:08 GMT

Ande....thats also known as "Sammy save up" swimming! Unlike Jackrabbit Smith a few years ago: Men 40-44 200 Yard Freestyle =============================================================================== 40-44 NATL: * 1:43.05 5/17/2002 PAUL SMITH Name Age Team Finals =============================================================================== 1 Smith, John C 42 RMM 1:44.44 23.90 49.98 1:17.12 1:44.44 That last 25 was tough to watch! :help:

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ande — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:55:08 GMT

though there is a wise way to swim a 200 free and a wicked way to swim it the wise way is: breathing bunches, saving your legs for the 2nd 100, keeping things in control your 100 splits should be very close to each other, like with in 2 sec or less the wicked way: going for it, bat out of hell, turbo legs, take it out hard and hope you can get home Men 45-49 200 Yard Freestyle ========================================================== NATL: N 1:45.96 4/21/2002 JACK GROSELLE Name Age Team Seed Finals Points ========================================================== 1 Paul Smith 46 CMS 1:44.39N 11 25.33 52.26 1:18.70 1:44.39 looks to me like you chose wisely last year ande It seems that people often look at engine building and technique as an either/or situation......as I've said here often it doesn't matter what your specialty is you need to have a base and should pay attention to technique 100% of the time..... Fort....the 200 free is the "Holy Grail" of swimming....speed, power, endurance and tons of lactic all rolled into one!

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Paul Smith — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:40:30 GMT

I am actually going to agree with THE Fortress here. I believe that the 400IM is the holy grail of swimming. It is not for the weak. It is not my favorite event as I prefer breaststroke and the 200 IM but I enjoy swimming the 400IM from time to time as well. I find it is a good test of my endurance and fitness level. Swimming History lesson #23: The 400IM, also known as "the 5th Stroke" was created by breastrokers who felt left out at swim meets because there was not a diving event" :groovy:

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:13:26 GMT

English Channel = Holy Grail 200 Free = Dixie Cup hahaha Dover to Calais..dodging Sealink on the way...sounds like fun!

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:12:25 GMT

English Channel = Holy Grail 200 Free = Dixie Cup

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poolraat — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:51:25 GMT

I agree with you! The 200 free is "controlled speed"! It is a very challenging race that you have to swim consistently to know how to pace it correctly......cause boy does it hurt if you swim it wrong....actually it always hurts! If you pace it right, its not as bad. I would call it "controlled death" especially if you swim it wrong. Although when I swam my pb last spring it felt great from start to finish. Now the meet after that was another story, my legs started to go numb at 75 and my kick was no longer a factor at 125.

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The Fortress — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:45:23 GMT

Yes, 100 ***...finally you agree! :D No, I was referring to the 200 free my FAF Twin Beth is swimming. :thhbbb: That is a tough event. I think it's only for true freestylers like Paul and Beth. Those of us who only fake a 50 free don't like the 200 free. Maybe you'll learn to love it along with that 200 BR, SS. Have fun with that. :thhbbb: ;)

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swimr4life — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:08:16 GMT

Fort....the 200 free is the "Holy Grail" of swimming....speed, power, endurance and tons of lactic all rolled into one! I agree with you! The 200 free is "controlled speed"! It is a very challenging race that you have to swim consistently to know how to pace it correctly......cause boy does it hurt if you swim it wrong....actually it always hurts! If you pace it right, its not as bad.