https://community.usms.org/swimming/f/general/4869/stroke-countI&#39;ve counting my strokes at 25yds. Its 18... I try and try.... reaching out as far as possible, making sure of a full pull by making sure my thumb grazes my thigh. But I can&#39;t seem to lower my stroke count. Any suggestions??en-USTelligent Community 12https://community.usms.org/thread/58864?ContentTypeID=1Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:07:24 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:bc3da605-af84-40d3-9ee6-b17a08a9a926Former MemberYou are finishing far back but are you starting far enough forward? Forearm position? Vertical or dropped elbow? How is your kick? Body position? Low head with legs at surface? That&#39;s all I&#39;ve got for now.<div style="clear:both;"></div>https://community.usms.org/thread/58948?ContentTypeID=1Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:30:51 GMT3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:1fa3297e-03ff-4c49-821d-d82867b1ef58knelsonAre you sure 18 is a poor stroke count for you? If you&#39;re fairly short it sounds reasonable to me. I&#39;d say work to keep it long, but don&#39;t go overboard just to reduce your stroke count. Janet Evans took a lot of strokes per length and she did O.K. :)<div style="clear:both;"></div>