Toyota Southern Calif. Grand Prix

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Frank Thompson — Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:44:13 GMT

Usually, Ande kicks this off but since this starts today I will kick this off. This is the last major competition before the USA team heads for Melbourne for the 2007 FINA World Championships. I will reserve my predictions and judgements on the other thread that was started about Mebourne until this meet is over. I will provide a link about the meet. www.usaswimming.org/.../ViewNewsArticle.aspx

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Former Member — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:11:31 GMT

I think piersol will be very hard to beat LCM Lochte is great at SDK and in LCM you only get to SDK half as much ande True, very true. It would be nice to see a 2008 Olympic sweep by the Texas Trio in their respective events. I do have to say however that I am gunning for both Lochte in 2008 as well as Erik Vendt. This will be an incredible comeback for Vendt if he can pull this one off. I think he is at the right club to make it happen, that is for sure. Everyday is race day there from what I understand. Lastly, what happened to your buddy Josh Davis and his potential comeback? Is he still working on that?

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Former Member — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:40:00 GMT

I think it will be interesting to see the Micheal Phelps vs Ryan Lochte showdown in the 200 and 400 IM's.....I guess Ryan has the best chance of upsetting Micheal in the 200 IM but who knows? I don't think there is any one else out there that can challenge Phelps in the 200 IM. I can't believe how fast Natalie swam the 200 free!! When I went 47 low in the 100 free back in the day, I was still nowhere near 1:41 in the 200 free?? If you look at the USMS records in my age group (40 - 44 year old males)...the 100 free record is 45.9 and the 200 free record is 1:43.0 ...Sure we're older and hence we die a little faster....but I still think that her 200 free time is smokin fast for someone who swims a 47 low hundred (not that her hundred time is slow or anything...LOL!!). Newmastersswimmer

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FlyQueen — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:51:21 GMT

I think he did say that, but it takes more than attitude to win races at that level. I will be happy either way, I am just saying that the potential exists for things to change in that event. I've heard at that level there it's mostly mental. They are all super talented, they all train riddiculously hard so the race often goes to the mentally toughest ... what was Spitz's famous quote? Practice is 90% physical and 10% mental, races are 10% physical and 90% mental ... Jody Henry said something similiar along the lines of at the elite level there is very little difference in the physical abilities between the athletes, they all train hard, but the biggest difference is the mental toughness ... Anyway, I love Erik Vendt, too. What a stud! Does anyone think Phelps will get upset in any of the events he swims? Maybe he'll be spreading himself too thin?

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Frank Thompson — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:42:04 GMT

True, very true. Lastly, what happened to your buddy Josh Davis and his potential comeback? Is he still working on that? Josh Davis has officially retired and he made that official in a press release about 2 months ago. www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/.../12480.asp

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FlyQueen — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 05:13:16 GMT

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Former Member — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:21:34 GMT

Thank you, Aquafeisty, now I get it.

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Former Member — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:54:20 GMT

or phelps 100 free? 1 Phelps, Michael F 21 CW-MI 44.44 42.43 20.63 42.43 (21.80) Would one of you please explain the numbers after the club name? I've never looked at swim times before now and don't really know what I'm looking at.:dunno: Thanks - Barb

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Former Member — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:21:18 GMT

I think he did say that, but it takes more than attitude to win races at that level. I will be happy either way, I am just saying that the potential exists for things to change in that event.

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Former Member — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:17:00 GMT

Aaron's a racer no doubt, but I think as close as Lochte is there is the potential for an upset..if you can call it that. No matter how fast you are, there will always be somebody to come along and show you up. I would love to see Lenny back in the thick of it but his shoulder history is going to make that difficult for him.

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Former Member — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:33:34 GMT

Yeah, I think some people were a little bothered about Phelps being so all around. Peirsol was a little dismissive about Lochte out touching him...I realize Aaron is still faster in LC but that might change very soon, you never know. 2008 might bring a buffet of crow to a few well known athletes. Phelps and Sandeno made a great showing for Club Wolverine, although this is no surprise.

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aquaFeisty — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:16:46 GMT

Hi Barb, The numbers (assuming I'm reading them correctly) are: 1 Phelps, Michael F 21 CW-MI 44.44 42.43 20.63 42.43 (21.80) 21 is Phelps age CW-MI is Club Wolverine, which is in the Michigan LSC (local swim committee/club, I think??) 44.44 was his seed time, the time he used to enter the meet 42.43 was the actual time he went and 20.63 42.43 (21.80) are his splits: he swam the first 50 of his 100 free in 20.63 and came back in 21.80... SMOKIN' FAST Thanks, Ande for posting these. Very cool.

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aquaFeisty — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:14:15 GMT

Brendan Hansen is just SOOOO cool... even if he does do backstroke now and then :D

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ande — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:06:28 GMT

I think piersol will be very hard to beat LCM Lochte is great at SDK and in LCM you only get to SDK half as much ande

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FlyQueen — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 06:53:07 GMT

I think Lenny is once again only aiming for the 100 ... but in the 200 I think Aaron will do it, I think Ryan will push him for sure, but didn't Eddie say of all the UT swimmmers right now Aaron hates to lose the most? And THAT is saying something.

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FlyQueen — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 06:10:27 GMT

There are going to be some intense and very fast races at trials NEXT YEAR! I don't know if they count Peirsol's record as being LCM or SCY, too. He didn't do well last year at a meet and pulled out of finals ... I don't think he swims well unrested, Crocker doesn't seem to either ... though both of their times are fabulous! For the women the IMs and breaststrokes are going to be crazy. There will certainly be an Olympian or former world record holder left off ... that's nuts! For the men, I can't wait! I think Peirsol will be fine, he's a racer and LCM no one can touch him, at least yet. With Lenny back in the mix, it'll be great! There are definitely some spots that will go to underdogs ... so exciting!

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The Fortress — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 05:26:27 GMT

Wow. Thanks for the info. Isn't that the first time Piersol has been beaten in the 200 back in many years? Couglin's times were smoking. She seems to be even better at short course than long course. I love that Brendon Hansen backstroke bit!