You are the Rules Dictator

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Former Member — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:26:03 GMT

Just off the top of my head I think the same turn use in normal, one-arm at a time backstroke would work best. Just finish your two-arm pull, then only recover one arm, but cross over your body so you end up on your front at which point you execute a normal flip turn. I will give that a try. I did a 400IM, LCM thankfully, on the weekend and watching the video the time to turn was incredible.

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Former Member — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:37:01 GMT

America would dominate that event. this would be something unique beacause.................. sometimes, for some of the us, it's the effort and taking part that counts...and a Gold is really, really, really, special :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Former Member — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:34:16 GMT

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knelson — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:46:06 GMT

It will be a little clumsy just because it's difficult recovering only one arm when both are down at your side, but I think with a little practice it would work well. The other option I can think of is to initiate the turn onto your stomach during the pull. In this scenario, during that final stroke into the wall, you would pull with just a single arm and rotate your body toward the pulling arm. Your other arm would probably need to be moved down to your side because you aren't allowed a pull after you're on your stomach. That would violate the bit about the pull being part of a "continuous turning action."

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Muppet — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:57:34 GMT

I saw an events list for an upcoming college swim club meet and they are having a 4 x 100 Im relay, meaning 4 separate peolple do a 100 IM. They should add this as an offcial event in masters. And I think it would be cool if there was a 4 x 200 Im relay in the olympics. America would dominate that event. Warren, those are pretty cool ideas! The non-formal college club team I swim with will occasionally swim meets where they have an medley relay with 25 each person. Those are such fun! I'd love to see the Olympics feature the 50s for the strokes. I think it would be a great way to extend some careers - think how Popov and GHjr have been duking it out in the 50 free in their "advanced age." Maybe Ed Moses would have a shot at that elusive Olympic Gold in a 50. :dedhorse:

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knelson — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:42:01 GMT

Hmm, that sounds a lot like myI was hoping there was some more graceful way to do it. Just off the top of my head I think the same turn use in normal, one-arm at a time backstroke would work best. Just finish your two-arm pull, then only recover one arm, but cross over your body so you end up on your front at which point you execute a normal flip turn.

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Former Member — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:30:48 GMT

I don't know if its been mentioned here already or not?.....but in addition to having a 200 and 400 medley relay, how about an 800 medley relay (200 of each stroke)? It would compliment the already existing 800 free relay....Swimmers already swim 200's in each stroke so it doesn't seem like a major stretch. I guess the U.S. would be heavily favored in that relay along with the other 2 medley relays though. Perhaps swimmers wouldn't want to swim it either b/c one 200 stroke race (Prelims and Finals) is enough for one meet? Newmastersswimmer

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knelson — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:51:58 GMT

I second that motion. And have definitely wanted that one every since I was a wee age grouper. You're showing your youth here. Most of us never imagined we could do something as strange as turn onto our stomachs to do a backstroke turn of any ilk when we were age groupers.

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m2tall2 — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:41:16 GMT

I would change the back-to-*** turn on all I.M.'s. Henceforth, any swimmer would eb able to turn on their belly, flip, and push off into breaststroke. I think it is silly that the rules still make you touch the wall with one hand, turn, and go. It is inefficient. I second that motion. And have definitely wanted that one every since I was a wee age grouper.

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Former Member — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:42:35 GMT

Hmm, that sounds a lot like my two arm backstroke turn. I was hoping there was some more graceful way to do it. Whenever I try to learn back crawl I end up with a shoulder injury, so I almost never swim backstroke, and when I do it is two arm. I haven't found a turning technique that feels reasonable yet, and have had several close calls with :frustrated: Surely one of those swimmers at world that was doing two arm backstroke had come up with some sort of reasonable turn? I wonder if they flip onto their front when doing non-IM turns...

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Former Member — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:07:07 GMT

Lindsay- they whack their heads really hard into the wall, grasp convulsively onto some part of the starting block in order to pivot their body around so they are on their back again, then pushing off from the wall with arms in a flap-flap-flapping motion (remember as a kid, playing in the tub?) creating a sizable bow wave as they create maximal resistance. Really.

RE: You are the Rules Dictator

Former Member — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:56:22 GMT

I would change the back-to-*** turn on all I.M.'s. Henceforth, any swimmer would be able to turn on their belly, flip, and push off into breaststroke. I think it is silly that the rules still make you touch the wall with one hand, turn, and go. It is inefficient. Will you also allow flipping onto your front at the end of backstroke races? That is the origin of the rule, you have to finish each leg of the IM with a legal finish for that stroke. Which brings a question to mind, how do people who do two-arm backstroke do their turns?

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Former Member — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:10:21 GMT

Has anyone noticed the new breed of frogs are doing the dolpin kick and no longer do the frog kick. I cannot wait to see them doing an over the water front leg recovery. Kimberlie - which came first frogs or dogs, I was told that dogs did dog paddle and taught the frogs to swim.

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mikeh — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:06:57 GMT

Simple. You have absolute power to change any technique rules, start/finish rules, age up rules, sky is the limit as long as the rules pertain to swimming. What would you change and why? I would change the back-to-*** turn on all I.M.'s. Henceforth, any swimmer would eb able to turn on their belly, flip, and push off into breaststroke. I think it is silly that the rules still make you touch the wall with one hand, turn, and go. It is inefficient.

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Former Member — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:37:57 GMT

Ha, ha. I aim to please. But where's your signature? Hope you're getting your endorphin fix today. I'm going to the gym to lift weights at lunch. I think I did quite well on the signature front.

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Former Member — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:05:31 GMT

Peter: I'm even happier now. Signature-wise, I mean. :rofl: It's not bad. But I liked your "pain" one better.

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Former Member — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:00:16 GMT

You are all so very entertaining. In opposition to ..."the string bean principle"... "the rough draft before the masterpiece, breastroke then it gave birth to fly!"... one should consider that Breastroke, having arrived first, allowed the opportunity for the development of the other strokes and breastroke should be held in high esteme, even honored, a stroke that all swimmers should work to master. Had God not created the Heavens and the earth first (Gen. 1:1) there would be no place for the light and darkness to exist, no place to put the land and the water, etc. "...Having turned their eyes from God (tm), he cast them out of the lakes and rivers and ocean , declaring: 'I take from you all knowledge of freestyle crawl. Henceforth, thou shalt swim like frogs in troughs of concrete.' And in His (tm) wrath, he gave them rules to the breaststroke designed to confuse and disunite them, thus sundering the brotherhood/sisterhood of all the worlds people. Chaos reigned and all was darkness (with a few exceptions like the invention of ice cream)." (Appendectomy 2:4:6:8) - Rev. LBJ, Pastor, St. Bridget Fonda's Church and Home for Wayward Female Breaststrokers

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Former Member — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:46:46 GMT

Heather- the fish would be busting their guts laughing...

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The Fortress — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:07:50 GMT

It's not bad. But I liked your "pain" one better. Ha, ha. I aim to please. But where's your signature? Hope you're getting your endorphin fix today.

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The Fortress — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:19:09 GMT

If I were dictator, no local swim meet would start before 1:00 pm. Since Nationals is so long, I'd grudgingly agree to a 10:00 am start. :coffee: Peter: I'm even happier now. Signature-wise, I mean. :rofl:

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Allen Stark — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:59:02 GMT

Leonard,I found that funny,but 1) you say that like there is something wrong with frogs. Remember"Be like unto the frog for its propulsion is a delight" Amphibians 5:1-2

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aquaFeisty — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:47:58 GMT

I love this thread! :D

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FlyQueen — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:49:44 GMT

The fish would laugh at my "aquaman" drill?!?! Well, at least they'd be easy to catch then ...

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FlyQueen — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:42:01 GMT

"...Having turned their eyes from God (tm), he cast them out of the lakes and rivers and ocean , declaring: 'I take from you all knowledge of freestyle crawl. Henceforth, thou shalt swim like frogs in troughs of concrete.' And in His (tm) wrath, he gave them rules to the breaststroke designed to confuse and disunite them, thus sundering the brotherhood/sisterhood of all the worlds people. Chaos reigned and all was darkness (with a few exceptions like the invention of ice cream)." (Appendectomy 2:4:6:8) - Rev. LBJ, Pastor, St. Bridget Fonda's Church and Home for Wayward Female Breaststrokers This is one of my most favorites posts EVER! Fantastic, especially the part about ice cream ... Peter - the flyers would simply swim their beautious sdk under the water and fish would come to them ...

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Former Member — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:46:11 GMT

Les- are you happy now? Signature-wise I mean...