Pool Measurement - World Championships

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Former Member — Fri, 08 Dec 2006 11:29:01 GMT

That's funny hearing that the baker pool should have been faster. It certainly wasn't the case for me. I swam the 50 and the 100 in the baker pool and was dissapointed in both times. Especially my 50 time of 27.9. I was so dissappointed I almost didn't come back to swim my other events. In the belardi pool I swam the 200 free, 50 fly and led off two 200 free relays, our mens 120 and our mixed 120 relays. All of the times in the belardi pool were masters bests. The only event that is apples to apples would be the 50 free. In the belardi pool I went 26.9 then in the next relay swam a 26.6. Both were flat starts as I was the 1st swimmer in both relays. Those were consecutive masters bests. And life bests for long course. If I recall correctly, most people had better times in the baker pool. :dunno: Any have a good day in the baker pool and not so good in the belardi? Kevin

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The Fortress — Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:46:58 GMT

I don't mean to bring this subject up again but today I was reading about the American Record that Kate Ziegler set yesterday in the 1650. I guess the meet personal measured the George Mason University pool before hand per the rules, but what I was suprised about was that they have to get it re-measured by a certified engineer. I am not sure if this is a fixed wall pool or a bulkheaded pool. I do remember that some place in Virgina that a State High School meet and a USMS sanctioned meet were held and it was discovered that the pool was to short and all of the times would not count. I believe this was two or three years ago. I wonder with these actions taken if this is a new requirement for USA Swimming or just for the Virginia LSC because of the problems they had in the past. www.usaswimming.org/.../ViewNewsArticle.aspx As you may have read, I am attending this meet to watch my kid. GMU is a bulkheaded pool. We had a little difficulty last October with a masters meet (the Sprint Classic) at this pool. The pool was not properly measured, the bulkhead had moved ever so slightly and all the times were thrown out for Top 10 purposes. Since then, the pool is always re-measured. I saw Kate swim tonight. She swam a 1:45.6 in her 200 free, missing her prior record by .1. She was pushed though; it was not cake walk. She also swam a 56.2 in the 100 fly and finished second. I have to say, although fast, her fly form in not great. She, however, is a class act. Smiling to all, shaking hands and very un-diva like. I look forward to seeing her 500 free tomorrow.

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Frank Thompson — Fri, 08 Dec 2006 05:02:07 GMT

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mattson — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:06:11 GMT

Originally posted by Brian Stack He told me that the second measurement was done by the folks at the Stanford Linear Accelerator... Some of the stuff accelerator folk do is quite amazing. There is a plot at work from a few years back, showing Fermilab being affected by a faint earthquake in Thailand. The superconducting magnets in the Tevatron (a 3 mile circumference ring) were being moved just enough to make it harder to steer the beam.

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AnnG — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 03:10:35 GMT

I hope they get on that job as we are now THREE weeks and counting til Worlds!

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Former Member — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:49:02 GMT

Originally posted by dorothyrde Kokkole, it sounds to me like they are going to have to pool fixed and it will be the correct length. I think the jest is that they are going to shave the pool down to be correct, which personally, I think it is amazing. Thanks Dorothy! That is amazing!!

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Former Member — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:28:54 GMT

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dorothyrde — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:11:12 GMT

Good gosh, I should not post early in the morning. GIST

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knelson — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:59:31 GMT

Originally posted by dorothyrde I think the jest is that they are going to shave the pool down to be correct, which personally, I think it is amazing. I think you meant "gist" rather than "jest." Although I'm not convinced the whole thing isn't a jest!

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Brian Stack — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:24:46 GMT

Originally posted by knelson However, they did say they couldn't be sure about this result due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle! OK that was supposed to be secret! Who leaked? See Ya Brian

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knelson — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:11:53 GMT

Originally posted by Brian Stack the second measurement was done by the folks at the Stanford Linear Accelerator, they both got the same result! However, they did say they couldn't be sure about this result due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle!

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dorothyrde — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:49:05 GMT

Kokkole, it sounds to me like they are going to have to pool fixed and it will be the correct length. I think the jest is that they are going to shave the pool down to be correct, which personally, I think it is amazing.

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Former Member — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:55:34 GMT

I'm having trouble understanding if there is any truth to the issue of the length of the Baker Pool at Stanford University. I'm having a lot of fun with the jokes, but can someone tell me if there is an official answer? After all World Records are based on absolute parameters. Pool records are POOL records... Thanks!

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Brian Stack — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:29:07 GMT

Originally posted by knelson I think you meant "gist" rather than "jest." Although I'm not convinced the whole thing isn't a jest! One of my swimmers did the original measurement, he's a civil engineer employed by the City of San Francisco. He told me that the second measurement was done by the folks at the Stanford Linear Accelerator, they both got the same result! Fifty Meters on the dot. There'll be some grinding going on. Hope the folks doing the grinding don't have to pay for parking ;) See Ya Brian

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Former Member — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:27 GMT

I believe that the "old" Stanford pool was refurbished when the new one was built, and they probably resurfaced it, making it slightly shorter. Same thing happened here at Caltech. They built the new pool. Then they resurfaced the old pool. The old pool is now too short to be used for competition (not that we'd want to, but what if there was a problem with the new pool during a meet and they wanted to switch to the old pool? Can't). I like to do my workouts in the OLD pool. I need every advantage I can get.

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Former Member — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:46:55 GMT

I built an indoor swimming pool years ago in Hamilton (the George Park Swimming School) one of the workers father came to watch the concrete pour and he knocked the level off and put it back in the wrong place 6 inches and 1 sixtenth inch out. The pool was poured and plastered, the health inspector came and found the pool 1 sixtenth shallower then the regulations. The deck was out by a 16th inch also. Before I was able to open it took 2 days of concrete grinding.

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Rob Copeland — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:59:54 GMT

Originally posted by knelson Oh yeah, it looks like I might have the opportunity to meet Mr. Copeland. Here's an excerpt from the psych sheet for the 800 free: 91 Nelson, Kirk E 36 PNA(USA) 9:43.23 92 Copeland, Rob 50 GAJA(USA) 9:43.27 It looks like I need to talk to the meet director and see if he can NOT shave my lane or take a little extra off yours. All I need is about 3 inches per hundred to make up that 0.04 second…

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Frank Thompson — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:18:02 GMT

Originally posted by knelson I think Rob was specifically referring to using both of Stanford's 50m pools for competition. Oh yeah, it looks like I might have the opportunity to meet Mr. Copeland. Here's an excerpt from the psych sheet for the 800 free: 91 Nelson, Kirk E 36 PNA(USA) 9:43.23 92 Copeland, Rob 50 GAJA(USA) 9:43.27 Kirk: At both meets they used the two 50 Meter pools for competition. At the 1998 USMS LC Nationals they had breaks after the long distance event in the morning for warm up. In fact they had the exact warm up guidelines that Coral Springs had. Two hours before the meet started and then 30 minutes after the break. For the rest of the meet you had to warm up and warm down in the diving pool. I don't know what happen in Riccione because I was not in attendence at that meet. My teamate from Michigan Masters (Denise Brown) told me about the competitive arrangements at that meet. That is good that you will swim against Rob. The man went 10:47 in his 1000 at Coral Springs so that looks like a reasonable time estimate for the 800 Free.

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Frank Thompson — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:04:13 GMT

Originally posted by knelson I'll say! I would have thought they'd just have to live with it. Kirk: I am going to link some threads of the past about this from two years ago and you can see how people feel about this. The thread the Losers by Frosty was the one that really kicked this thing off. forums.usms.org/showthread.php forums.usms.org/showthread.php forums.usms.org/showthread.php

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knelson — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:00:32 GMT

I think Rob was specifically referring to using both of Stanford's 50m pools for competition. Oh yeah, it looks like I might have the opportunity to meet Mr. Copeland. Here's an excerpt from the psych sheet for the 800 free: 91 Nelson, Kirk E 36 PNA(USA) 9:43.23 92 Copeland, Rob 50 GAJA(USA) 9:43.27

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Frank Thompson — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:54:20 GMT

Originally posted by Rob Copeland This was never an issue before, because this will be the first meet that is using both 50 meter courses for competition. Rob: I can think of two meets where they used both 50 Meter courses. I was at the 1998 USMS LC Nationals in Fort Lauderdale and remember that meet well because I swam all my good times in the new pool and didn't swim good times in the old stadium pool. This was also a meet that you could swim both distance events at Nationals (800 - 1500 Free). In a discussion this weekend about the short pool at Stanford, one of the swimmers swam at the 2004 World Championships in Riccione, Italy and said there was an indoor 50 meter pool and an outdoor 50 meter pool and people seem to like the indoor 50 meter pool better. www.masters2004.it/venues.asp

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knelson — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:35:03 GMT

Originally posted by Rob Copeland This is an amazing demonstration of the organizing committee’s commitment to making this a world class event. I'll say! I would have thought they'd just have to live with it.

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Rob Copeland — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:30:03 GMT

Originally posted by knelson Seriously, how in the world do you stretch a pool? First the pool is partially drained, next as George alluded to, the plaster is ground down, the walls surface is then refinished, and finally the pool is refilled. This is an amazing demonstration of the organizing committee’s commitment to making this a world class event.

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Former Member — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:52:57 GMT

Aw gosh, Bill...(scuffs feets)you mean no fame, fortune & fabulous fillies? (squints at the horizon, takes off his 10 gallon hat & wipes his brow with his sleeve) I guess I'll be just movin' on then.

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Former Member — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:38:30 GMT

the pool where I often race is definitely 60 meters. :(