Pan Pacific 2006 Swimming Championships

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Former Member — Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:39:57 GMT

Talking about the Korean kid park-its nice to see someone from a different asian country than Japan which is the richest and China which has a strong state system like Russia use doing good in swimming.

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Former Member — Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:16:14 GMT

Times for Broadcast of events TSN - Saturday, Aug 26 - 1:00pm EST NBC Saturday, Aug 26 - 2:00pm EST Sunday, Aug 27 - 12:30pm EST

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Former Member — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:34:23 GMT

Originally posted by geochuck I just wonder is the Park guy a long lost relative, my great Grandfather was a seaman and was all through that region and had a few wives on his trips to the orient. There's a joke in there somewhere.... :D

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Former Member — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:24:24 GMT

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Former Member — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:16:46 GMT

I just wonder is the Park guy a long lost relative, my great Grandfather was a seaman and was all through that region and had a few wives on his trips to the orient.

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Former Member — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:57:37 GMT

Originally posted by Peter Cruise 1500 was enthralling, at the 600 the first 6 were within 3 tenths or so- then Vendt started to pull away from everyone but the Korean kid Park, who while not drafting Vendt did seem to sit on him (in retrospect), 'cause at the 1450 Park just lit up the afterburners and pulled away. I was sitting directly above his lane at the start end of the pool & when Park would come directly at me I was amazed at his absolutely quiet nonresistive stroke; it was beautifully frictionless looking & no wonder he had lots left for a finish. It was amazing watching the 1500 on the Omega site. It was so close for so long. What really impresses me about Vendt is the fact that he has only been back in the water for 3 months after a 2 year lay off. I don't know how anyone can go close to 15:00 for the mile with that little time getting back in the water. He is a true animal in the purest sense. Someday I am taking a trip to Ann Arbor just to watch that grop workout. Talk about competition. Vendt - "Michael why don't you lead this set of 30X100M on the 1:05?" Phelps - "Ok Eric, but Klete better not draft this time" Keller - "I won't draft as long as Peter won't leave 3 seconds behind." Sandeno - "You wusses shut up, I'll go!"

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hrietz — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:08:50 GMT

I wasn't very impressed with the USA women's 50 free times. That has to be encouraging news for Dara Torres. I read last week in USA Today that she is coming out of retirement to train for the 2008 Trials. She mentions a relay berth but actually I think that she has a better shot in the 50. She went a 25.98 just 3 months after giving birth so I would think that she could get down into the low 25's relatively easily. How exciting if a swimmer over 40 could make the US team!!!

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Former Member — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:42:26 GMT

Does Natalie Coughlin swim freestyle with a straight arm recovery or a variation of one?

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Former Member — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:30:01 GMT

Yup.

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BillS — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:50:02 GMT

Here's the Jones/Schoeman part of the AP story for people who don't want to have to register for something to read it. Rising U.S. star Cullen Jones won the men's 50 freestyle in 21.84 seconds, a Pan Pac record. Roland Schoeman of South Africa took silver in 22.12. Canada's Brent Hayden earned bronze, his fourth medal. Jones was part of the Phelps-led U.S. team that broke South Africa's 2-year-old world record in the 400 freestyle relay Saturday night. "Cullen who?" Schoeman said dismissively after the 50 preliminaries. He was piqued at a comment U.S. relay swimmer Neil Walker made about the record being back where it belongs. "They've got some of the best swimmers in the world and for them to take two years to break our record, come on. Catch up you guys," Schoeman said. Asked if he was on Schoeman's radar now, Jones didn't take his new rival's bait. "Roland didn't really know who I was coming into this meet," he said. "He was asking around about me. Hopefully, it's a good thing because it's just competition and he and I can still be civil."

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Former Member — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:22:11 GMT

Kitajima & Hansen did shake hands after the 200 (I was watching for it; it came after a pause while Hansen watched his finish replayed on the screen) & it seemed genuine. I don't know what base speed Park has, but he will cerainly be a player for quite a while; getting down to Hackett territory is a question mark, though. I agree Vendt had a tremendous swim considering his short training, but also I think Park had decided to race him rather than necessarily try and blow away the field (if so, very well-disciplined of him). I cannot emphasize enough how much he had at the end. The South African woman who won the 200brst has a beautiful gliding stroke, half the turnover of the two American girls. I don't think she can get down to Lethal territory in the race however. I barely remember the women's 800 free, just shows how exciting the rest of the races were. When I woke up this morning I felt like I had been worked over by a 2 x 4, which I thought was a result of all the driving and maniacal cheering, but my wife pointed out that I always 'swim along' when watching good swim races (perhaps NBC will pick up a shot of me twitching & jerking while Hansen swam his 200brst).

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Former Member — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:37:52 GMT

Deep down, I want Ryan Lochte to take that 200 IM record. But do it at the Olympics, on the world's biggest stage. He's improved so much in two years that I think he really deserves it. The fact that he was within two-tenths of breaking it proves that he wants it. originally posted by Jeff Commings I wonder why Ryan didn't swim the 400 IM? I understand that he scratched the 200 back to better rest and prepare for the 200 IM......but why not swim the 400 IM? Isn't he close to Micheal in that event as well? Newmastersswimmer p.s. BTW Nice job at worlds Jeff!

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Former Member — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:16:49 GMT

Well, I just got home from PanPacs, tired but happy after yelling my lungs out after witnessing two world records & many other darn fine races: Whitney Myers just looked smooth as silk in laying the boots to Hoff in the 200IM, watch out tainted world record. Michael & Ryan staged a battle for the ages that propelled Phelps to his new world record; the joint was hopping. Coughlin actually swam too close to ropes in her 50, I think it hampered her stroke slightly (although it is hard to tell because she shortens her stroke drastically towards the end of the race). Cullen Jones is the real deal, he will lower the world record to around 21.50 within the next year or so, UNLESS...he goes too far with his idea that he has too lay on some muscle as his next progression (he emphasized that in post-race interview). I'd want him to be very cautious with that. 1500 was enthralling, at the 600 the first 6 were within 3 tenths or so- then Vendt started to pull away from everyone but the Korean kid Park, who while not drafting Vendt did seem to sit on him (in retrospect), 'cause at the 1450 Park just lit up the afterburners and pulled away. I was sitting directly above his lane at the start end of the pool & when Park would come directly at me I was amazed at his absolutely quiet nonresistive stroke; it was beautifully frictionless looking & no wonder he had lots left for a finish. Both relays fell a little short of world records but still were great swims. I saw a confused older couple mistake Rowdy for an usher; he went along with it & helped them find the bathroom- what a class act he is. G'night.

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knelson — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:55:19 GMT

Originally posted by Frank Thompson Speaking of Hall, I wonder why he didn't swim the 50 last night? Hall and Lezak tied for 4th, so one of them wouldn't have been able to swim finals. I heard they flipped a coin to decide who go to swim rather than doing a swim-off. edit: no, wait a minute, since Schoeman qualified second, Lezak and Hall should have both been able to swim in the B heat. I don't get it. Seems like Hall should have been able to swim. Maybe only three total swimmers from one country were allowed to swim finals (combined A and B heats)?

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Frank Thompson — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:49:03 GMT

Jeff: Thanks for the clarification of that link. As I was watching the clip I expected to see a lot closer race from lane 5. Then I realized that lane 5 was not Kosuke Kitajima because the guy didn't look like him and he congratualted Brendan on the swim and that would be a first. That must have been the prelim swim. Kitajimi was only .51 behind at the 100 and Hansen really pounded that last 100 to win by 2.37 seconds. I think Kitajimi went all out in the prelims just to make the final because he was the third seed behind his countrymen from Japan. In the finals he went .26 slower than his prelim swim and had nothing for the last 100. I think the meet was great for the USA team. Phelps with 2 Individual World Records and Piersol and Hansen with one each makes this a better meet than Monteal was last year. And now we have a future star with Cullen Jones having a great 100 in the Relay and the win in the 50 Free at :21.85 and being less than .10 from Gary Hall Jr American Record. Speaking of Hall, I wonder why he didn't swim the 50 last night? Ryan Lochte really showed everyone that he can swim Long Course this year and will challenge Michael in the future. Being .27 and then .24 from Phelps in the last two 200 IM races is the best he is ever done. Its too bad he didn't swim the 400 IM because the only event he had that day was the relay. Up until this past Nationals he has always been clobbered badly by Phelps in the 400 LCM IM. They have not gone head to head much but at 2004 Olympic Trials, Michael won by almost 10 seconds then this year at Santa Clara it was pretty much the same. Back in 2004, Ryan was the NCAA Champion and that year I believe he went 4:04 so his LC times didn't match up until this year. Last year he was 5th at Montreal in the 400 IM with a 2:13.67 and he still didn't match up to his SC times. The same with Backstroke in that he just smashed the short course records but has not had an impact in the International LCM formats. He has never challenged Piersol, or even Phelps or Markus Rogan. With what he did at NCAA's and SCM Worlds in China, people have been expecting a break thru and in the IM at least he is starting to seriously challenge Phelps and Czeh. I think both Piersol and Hansen proved at this meet that they are definately the best and if they can both win in 2007 and 2008 then there is a good arguement that they could be the greatest in there strokes off all time. If this happens, Aaron Piersol will be undefeated for 7 years. He seems to do his best when he swims against Phelps in the 200 judging from WR at Long Beach and here. Cocker didn't have Phelps to push him so he didn't do his best time. His World Records in 2003, 2004, and 2005 have always been set swimming against Phelps. The big suprise in the Women has to be Whitney Myers. Now Hoff has a challenger for the race to get the World Record. Myers had almost a 2 second drop and missed the American record by .06 and the World Record by .39 and I believe this WR will be gone at or before the 2007 World Championships. The big surprise for the men has to be Park. It will be interesting to see if he can keep improving as he gets older.

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Jeff Commings — Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:09:51 GMT

Originally posted by geochuck Brendans breaststroke swim www.swimnews.net/index.php This link is outdated. That swim is now the second-fastest in history. Just wanted to say how proud I am of all the Americans at this meet. I think the Aussies who stayed home -- with the exception of Grant and Liesel -- should be quite worried about what the Americans did. That women's 400 free relay will be monstrous at worlds. Deep down, I want Ryan Lochte to take that 200 IM record. But do it at the Olympics, on the world's biggest stage. He's improved so much in two years that I think he really deserves it. The fact that he was within two-tenths of breaking it proves that he wants it.

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Former Member — Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:44:40 GMT

Phelps just set a new world record for the 200IM

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Former Member — Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:24:19 GMT

Brendans breaststroke swim www.swimnews.net/index.php

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Former Member — Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:25:54 GMT

ABC said next Saturday. However I may be wrong in what I read.

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Former Member — Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:43:44 GMT

Originally posted by aquageek NBC is showing the meet next weekend. I guess I'm just happy they are televising it at all. Does anyone know when NBC is going to televise the program? I looked in our local newspaper's TV section and nohting was listed. Or at least I couldn't find it.

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ande — Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:34:46 GMT

great IM race between Lochte and Phelps Lochte has made huge improvements also how about last nights world record 4 x 100 free relay phelps lezak jones and walker it's likely to take a 48 mid 100 free to make the US olympic team i was glad to see jones finally let it rip in his 100 free on the relay he's been way too reserved taking it out, going out in 23.5 - 7 but his 22.2 is impressive ande

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Former Member — Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:01:02 GMT

Very sportsmanlike conduct by Schoeman after the 50 prelims (reported in the New York Times): American Cullen Jones was fastest in the men's 50 free preliminaries, touching in 22.14. Roland Schoeman of South Africa was second. Jones was part of the U.S. team that broke South Africa's 2-year-old world record in the 400 freestyle relay Saturday night. ''Cullen who?'' Schoeman said after the 50 preliminaries. By the way, Cullen Jones is African American.

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aquageek — Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:48:20 GMT

Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com Does anyone know when NBC is going to televise the program? I looked in our local newspaper's TV section and nohting was listed. Or at least I couldn't find it. According to TiVO, Sat at 2 pm and Sun at noon, ET.

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Former Member — Sun, 20 Aug 2006 06:40:38 GMT

The 50m final should be pretty good lots of 22+ finalists.

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Frank Thompson — Sun, 20 Aug 2006 04:58:12 GMT

Originally posted by gull80 Very sportsmanlike conduct by Schoeman after the 50 prelims (reported in the New York Times): American Cullen Jones was fastest in the men's 50 free preliminaries, touching in 22.14. Roland Schoeman of South Africa was second. Jones was part of the U.S. team that broke South Africa's 2-year-old world record in the 400 freestyle relay Saturday night. ''Cullen who?'' Schoeman said after the 50 preliminaries. By the way, Cullen Jones is African American. Gull: There is more to the story than that and I linked it here - www.nytimes.com/.../AP-SWM-Pan-Pacific-Swimming.html What I would like to ask Roland is why he is standing on the sidelines watching this for 2 years instead of swimming and challenging the Americans. He complains that it has taken 2 years to break this record but at least the USA swims in the relay at big international meets and does not duck its competition. Last year the only swimmer they did not have was Darian Townsend and they had a replacement that was just as fast. They didn't even field a relay in Montreal. This year they are mssing Ryk Neethling but so what, put a relay out there and see what you can do. Yesterday I said that the USA had a chance to break the World Record if they could match the intensity of the 800 Relay. They did that and more and with Piersol being hot from last night they have a chance to break 3:30.68 from 2004 in the Medley Relay tonight. Aaron will go for the World Record tonight and the key legs in my mind will be Hansen and Crocker (assuming Crocker swims and not Phelps). Jason Lezak had a great pressure split last night and I expect him to do the same tonight. He comes thru on those relays when he has to. Benndan Hansen has the 200 *** tonight and it will be the first time he will face Kosuke Kitajima in this event since 2004 Olympics. Kosuke did not qualify last year for this event when Hansen won in Montreal so this will be the first time Hansen could win head to head in this race. I didn't give Kosuke a chance judging from what he did in the 100 and a rumor of him being sick and off. His prelim swim suprised me but maybe he went all out because he had to beat two Japanese swimmers to get in the final. I pick Hansen here for a close win and maybe not a World Record. Just as the pressure is on Hansen to win there will be pressure for Megan Jendrick to win and make the World team. I am predicting she will win and have enough to make the time standard to qualify for the World team. What happen to Jessica Hardy in the 200 ***? Going 1:06 in the 100 and then 2:37! The 50 Free in both the Men and Women look good tonight. I am going to pick Cullen who to win and beat Rolland even though he just set a SCM World Record. I think Cullen can take last nights momentum and win. He is capable because he has already gone :21.94 at Nationals. I pick Kara Lynn in a close one with Natalie but it could go either way. In the 200 IM Katie Hoff is going to win and maybe hit or break 2:10.00 but I am not sure if she has enough for the World Record. The Mens 200 IM is the race that everyone is looking forward to. Ryan Lochte stratched the 200 Back yesterday to get extra rest that he will need if he is going to win tonight. You would think that Michael would be tired from all the swimming he has done and this would be the time for an upset. Not likely. I just can't pick against Michael the way he is swimming in this meet. He seems to feel how to seal the deal when he is on the last 50 of his IM. The last time he was challenged in an IM was against Vendt in 2002 and it will take an even greater effort by Lochte than that to get the win. I pick Phelps by .50 but I don't believe he has enough in the tank for a World Record. I am going to take the winners of last nights 400 Free in the Womens 800 Free (Shibta) and the Mens 1500 Free (Park) because they are swimming well but its really anybody race and it will come down to who has energy left after a long meet.