Yoga

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Former Member — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:58:43 GMT

oh just one more thing can you explain to me how does Yoga work the rear deltoid muscles?

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Former Member — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:50:27 GMT

of course NOT why would I try to breathe trough my nose in water??? when i was young i thought that EVEN if you try to inhale while uder water you wont feel very good but its ok i wont try to go further with this thread

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info@randynutt.com — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:48:01 GMT

Payydro, you keep bringing me back to beer again….I have found that raising a pint or two has really improved my deltoids like nothing else –the only negative I (actually others) see is the results of this training on my abs. Seriously, I think what many have been telling you is that cross training is a good thing for swimming, whether it is yoga or anything else. If yoga is not beneficial to you for swimming then find another cross training endeavor –just don’t give up the swimming.

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Former Member — Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:46:26 GMT

Yoga and swimming definetly DONT work for me im going to DROWN if i try to put them together this was the last time i tryed and no more thats for sure I LOVE Yoga and it means a lot to me but i will have to choose

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Former Member — Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:10:06 GMT

as soon as try to get back to my previous learned Yoga breathin experience my head breaks under presure when i put my face in the water and it fills my nose

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Former Member — Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:27:04 GMT

Interesting thread. I too find yoga helps with both the mental and physical aspects of swimming and running. One of the major problems I had when I first started swimming was getting absolutely exhausted quickly in even the shortest sets. I was trying to mimic the rest periods that the experienced swimmers were using and noted in one of the TI books by McLaughlin that using "yoga breathing" during rest and resuming only when you were back to controlled, comfortable breathing (through the nose) was one way to guage a rest interval more appropriate for you. I did that, and sometimes still do, and have progressed far enough along to keep up in the slow lane sets most of the time. Just one way yoga techniques can be applied to swimming.

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Paul Smith — Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:44:52 GMT

Paydro....I think what many of us here have tried to convey thats being missed is that yoga is a beneficial "cross training" activity.....what you are doing is to try and be "literal" in your use of yoga while actually swimming.....which anyone would drown if they attempted. W4HCL explained what would be the closest to actually using something applied from yoga in the pool....but again not during the swimming part.

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Former Member — Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:17:56 GMT

idont think there is a joke exept those poor beer who have to fight the water from the pool all day long:D :)

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Former Member — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:53:55 GMT

Payydro, You lost mean again. Yoga is about using deep breaths to assist with movements, deep exhales to assist with stretches in particular. Swimming also focuses on deep breathing because, hey, you only have you pie hole above the water for a brief period of time (if you swim properly) so you better inhale deeply when you get the chance. Similarly, you want to thoroughly exhale while you mouth is below the water because when it clears the surface, INHALE baby. Think about the extended discussion of stroke length in other discussion threads. Think about what that means. Longer, more efficient strokes means fewer strokes per length of the pool, which means fewer breaths per length of the pool. And don't get me started about holding my breath until I turn blue after each flip turn when I do it right, and a 25 yard pool feeling like a bathtub that never lets me recover from extreme O2 debt after each turn. Are you pulling my chain, and I'm the only one who hasn't got the joke yet? Matt

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aquageek — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:44:15 GMT

I think you are a little too fixated on the breathing thing. Or, maybe, switch to backstroke so you can do all the breathing you want. I think what we are all saying here is that yoga is of great benefit and the breathing does not get in our way. Oh, and one more thing, we all like beer.

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Former Member — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:47:35 GMT

I imagine the Geek is big into Yogic Cleansing as well...

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Former Member — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:40:35 GMT

Matt S glad to see someone didnt mention bEER:D but maybe we should make a thread called Beer and Swimming or maybe Beer and Yoga:D anyway i agree that without Yoga the risk of injuries are greater but the reason i started this thread and the main reason i cant conect Yoga and Swimming is --as i wrote in the last posts breath control. Just wanted to see other peoples opinions on that cause i thought that if other practised Yoga there must be similiar problem. Flexibility is not an issue. But no one didnt even mention so i asume that NO ONE has the above mentioned problem.

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aquageek — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:57:52 GMT

I had to google that but I should have known ahead of time that it wouldn't be pretty.

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Former Member — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:56:31 GMT

I agree, yoga can work well with swimming. Yoga can build strength without giving you excessively large muscles, which is good as a swimmer. Yoga also helps your flexibility, which (for certain body parts) can also help your swimming.

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info@randynutt.com — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:59:52 GMT

Yes I worked with The Victor for many years and really enjoyed it. The owner retired shortly after I left. Paddles are a tool that unfortunately many use incorrectly. They can be beneficially used –but that is another thread! Regarding Yoga –Paul is correct it can really offer major benefits to swimmers. Anytime you can learn to control your body and mind while relaxing or stretching it will translate positively to other activities including swimming. I am an advocate of any and all types of cross training. The better athlete wins! Interesting Mary Bolster, previous editor of (Fitness) Swimmer Magazine and great friend of Masters swimming, is now an editor for Yoga Journal. It is worth a look.

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aquageek — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:36:42 GMT

Randy: I might have this totally wrong but were you ever somehow associated with The Victor swimwear? They had the best prices and selection around. BTW - even though I'm not a fan of paddles, I like your web site.

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info@randynutt.com — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:44:40 GMT

"I read your post. I find yoga and swimming to be very possible. I find beer and swimming to be equally possible." -aquageek. I just found out that beer with paddles is also possible. (Hey it's 5:00 somewhere)

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Former Member — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:31:31 GMT

does anyone even read my posts? I have been doing Yoga before i started swimming and not because of swimming. anyway glad that this has become a BEER thread. still my i havent got a single clue from anyone that yoga and swimming are posible

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aquageek — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:50:16 GMT

Pedro: I read your post. I find yoga and swimming to be very possible. I find beer and swimming to be equally possible.

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Former Member — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:26:03 GMT

Payydro, I'll not presume to lecture you on yoga, because from the sounds of it you've been doing it longer than I have. However, I will tell you not only can you do both, I have found yoga is very beneficial to swimming. I started with yoga because a couple of swimmers I respect, including Tall Paul Smith who responded earlier in this thread, recommended it to me. (Just to review the bidding. Paul Smith has been one of the top Masters swimmers in the world for about a decade, if not longer. He holds several USMS records and is regularly ranked in the top ten in the world in his age group for numerous free and fly events.) I have found their advice was right on point. First, flexibility is a major issue for older athletes. Second, yoga is a far superior method for working on flexibility than any other program I have used. I did talk to Paul at the time about if he found any particular form of yoga beneficial. My understanding of his advice (which I only dimly remember, please feel free to jump in here Paul) is that I should stick with less advanced forms of the practice. At some point the more advances poses and practices carry a higher risk of injury than the lower impact stuff. At the same time, there may not be substantial added benefit to swimming from the specific improvement in strength and flexibility that an advanced practice provides. If anyone else has any thoughts please pitch in. To sum up, if you stop doing yoga, I can pretty much guarantee you that your flexibility will decline, and you will be at greater risk of injury and less able to perform efficient swimming motions. You might want to talk to someone who is knowledgable in both sports to determine if modifying your yoga routine would better help you in the pool. Matt P.S. I am planning to get back to you in your other discussion thread. I've been a little busy, and I wanted to respond with some detail.

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aquageek — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 03:00:50 GMT

I am a huge fan of yoga. It's great. I'm going to buy a lottery ticket now. When I agree with Matt and Smith I know the planets are in (im?)perfect alignment.

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Former Member — Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:55:07 GMT

i dont think you understood my statement:) i also agree that other activities as weights, runing etc improve swimming. It is corect that what you said about deltoid muscles and sholder weakness and how it can be better with Yoga. While i was still doing Yoga regulary i had absplutely no problems with my shoulders ( back then my techique was not even born yet-- in opose to now when i feel my tecnique is improvin A LOT and i have stoped doing yoga) But m talking about YOGA not weights,runing etc. I LOVE/d Yoga but i m saying it is not posible to join these two together beacuse you cant do Yoga regulary ( and it has no point in doin it onesa month) and swimm OK because it oposite in BASICS. Youre out of water 80% of the day( aproximatly, dont get mad:D ) and swimming the other 20% you cant use the breath control that Yoga teach you in swimming( you can exale through the nose but Yoga teaches "leting go" and free flow of air and in the pool the water rushes to your brain if you dont have the constant pressure that you control by throat I also think that Yoga is very good thing in life i m just pointing out my thoughts on the subject that i havent seen anyone else start

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Paul Smith — Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:06:41 GMT

Mark your calenders!!!! A first!! Geek actually agreed with something I said and almost completed a post without being a smartas...!! John....there may be hope after all?! Payydro; I did understand but also wanted to have a little fun with you! The breathing elements in yoga do not have a specific application to swimming while its being done, rather the entire practice of yoga in my opinion helps your overall swimming performance.

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aquageek — Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:34:09 GMT

I'm definitely on the same page with Smith on this. I'm a big fan of yoga and one of my lane mates teaches a fitness yoga class. It is helping my swimming and other areas of my life. If you are only doing yoga (or not doing it) for its benefits to swimming, I think you are missing the boat. We were doing a difficult set the other day in the pool, one of those sets where you can get discouraged if you focus on the length of it. I used some of my yoga instructor's encouragements to focus on the set and it all got much easier. Can you use paddles in a yoga class?

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Former Member — Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:24:38 GMT

Geek said it right 'poor American beers'...