How Much Fly

RE: How Much Fly

Former Member — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:20:12 GMT

I think about 2 years ago I did a workout around 2,500 yards and it was 900 yards fly. That hurts at my age. A 20 year old can do a lot more yardage fly than a 50 year. Prove, there are thousands of women between the ages of 12 to 20 years old than can swim fly under 3:00 in the 200 meters. In masters swimming I think only 8 people from the ages of 45 to 59 in women can swim under 3:00 and only one of them is in the 55 to 59 year old age group.

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Former Member — Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:48:41 GMT

Last night was a big fly night. NOw my right side of my neck is in so much pain. This afternoon is an aerobic work out so I'll get to relax.

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Former Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:35:10 GMT

60 x 200m fly ... wow ... seriously ... wow ... I can't even imagine that ... I think it's awesome when I do 8 x 100 fly or 4 x 200 fly ...

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Former Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:09:41 GMT

How much fly in training? It all depends on how good you want to be. If you are a serious masters fly swimmer then you need to do it until it come out of your ears. If you can face doing three or four 500m fly swims during a training session or a set of, say, 20 x 100m then when it comes to doing a 200 in a race then it will be easy, and certainly you will be able to face the psychological aspect of racing over 200m. Already I know what you (swimmers on the other side of the Atlantic) are going to say, but during the build-up to the 1996 Atlanta Olympics I saw the Irish swimmer, and triple gold medallist Michelle Smith in training. Whatever you may believe about her suspected drug-taking - and remember, she was never once tested positive in her run-up to, and during the Olympic Games, she worked harder than any other swimmer in history. One morning I arrived at the pool at 5.30. She was making her way through a set of 60 x 200m fly. I sat in the seats with my cup of coffee and was amazed to see her taking only 10 seconds rest between swims. That particular day she had a rest period (in her room) between 9.00am an 12 noon. She was back in the pool again at 2.00pm Her afternoon session consisted of 80 x 100m fly. Her coach gave her the option of taking 5 secs rest between swims or going every1:20. She chose to go on 1:20 because she wanted to go for good times on every swim! Those swimmers who recommend doing less than 10 per cent of their training on fly will never achieve on the stroke and will forever be envious of those who swim it well. Unfortunately there's no easy answer if you want to be a flyer.

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Former Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:53:50 GMT

originally posted by Keather Jim would have to actually update his blog first ... What are we going on 2 months without an update? Aah....Yaeh about that....It seems I've fallen a tad behind on that....I've scribbled down most of the workouts here and there but I've seem to have misplaced most of them....never was one for strong organizational skills....It's hard to remember everythin in a 7000 - 8000 meter practice....especially when your brain is ...well lets say ...a tad worn out. The coach is suppose to e-mail me a list of all of our workouts over the past couple of months (he says he keeps them in a coaching log)....So when he sends them to me I'll update the training blog....Sorry about falling behind on that.....I guess I'm not as reliable as the Raz about this kind of thing!......And yes, I will put a link to my training blog in my signature so that it will be easier to access it. Sorry Ande....I'm not trying to cheat anyone on our deal or anything....I'm just really really lame thats all! Newmastersswimmer

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Former Member — Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:43:34 GMT

Jim would have to actually update his blog first ... What are we going on 2 months without an update?

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Former Member — Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:05:22 GMT

originally posted by IndyGal LOL. Yesterday I was practicing some fly in a middle lane and the guy in the lane next to me (who was trying to swim breastroke while keeping his head entirely dry and above water) got out and moved into an end lane. I guess he didn't like the splash. Good Job IndyGal....Keep up the good work!....That's the kinda thing I like to hear about. Newmastersswimmer

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ande — Mon, 24 Oct 2005 04:44:44 GMT

yes, i do swim very little fly, i'm resting on my fly laurels I kick much more fly than I swim and do 1 armed stroke drills you ought to put the link to your blog in your signature so I can remember to check it out from time to time ande the poll needed a less than 1% category Originally posted by newmastersswimmer BTW, I know first hand from training briefly with Ande Raz, that he swims about .01% of his workouts butterfly...LOL!!....Sorry Ande I have to take my jabs when I get the chance...remember that one arm butterfly doesn't count!!....So even though you swim IM's...Seriously Dude....how many IM's do you actually swim at practice with regular 2 arm butterfly?...It's a wonder you can sprint butterfly so well and swim IM's so well??....More reason to want to take you down! Newmastersswimmer

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pmbchill — Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:57:25 GMT

I might swim more fly if our pool wasn't bathtub size, bathtub temp., and crowded with lap swimmers taking a bath.

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Former Member — Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:02:48 GMT

Originally posted by pmbchill I might swim more fly if our pool wasn't ... crowded with lap swimmers taking a bath. LOL. Yesterday I was practicing some fly in a middle lane and the guy in the lane next to me (who was trying to swim breastroke while keeping his head entirely dry and above water) got out and moved into an end lane. I guess he didn't like the splash. :rolleyes:

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:13:33 GMT

I am always surprised to see how badly many lifeguards swim. I think that structurally, the fly is the easiest stroke because there is only so many ways that both arms can move at the same time. I just wish that it didn't take so much energy!

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:10:33 GMT

I agree. The guards at my pool watch me with what I have chosen to see as admiration. :) Several HAVE commented on how I can really swim fly (which only confirms Geochuck's assessment that most guards don't know fly. :) Heather (who was told once at a workshop that I was a natural flyer, so I've spent two years trying to prove it :)

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Former Member — Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:22:18 GMT

originally posted by CraigIII However, I rarely swim only 3000! Come opn kids, let's really do some work! The poll said 300 + yard workouts....as in "at least" 3000 yards....not exactly 3000 yards.....no offense or anything....I just wanted to clarify that point. Newmastersswimmer

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Former Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:34:48 GMT

Never be ashamed of trying, the lifegards only wish they could fly.

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Former Member — Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:54:32 GMT

I'm good for some 25s but that's about it. I'm VERY self-conscious about working on it at the the pool... I just can't shake the feeling that the lifeguards are watching me, thinking, "Is she drowning? Oh wait, she's attempting fly..."

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Former Member — Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:47:20 GMT

Originally posted by gull80 Well, he did say "trying." Yes in 1958 we were very close to 1 min for the 100 fly, and yes we were all trying to break 1 min me included. The fly was first swam in the 1956 Olympics, not the 100 but the 200. Just to add we not only tried to break 1min in the 100m, we did with a flying start in the medley relay 1958. Yes it was 1960 when the record was broken.

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Former Member — Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:08:16 GMT

Originally posted by Fritz When were the good old days? The world record wasn't under a minute until 1960. Well, he did say "trying."

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Former Member — Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:28:01 GMT

Originally posted by geochuck Oh for the old days just 1 x 100 m trying to break 1 minute. Three times a week. When were the good old days? The world record wasn't under a minute until 1960.

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Former Member — Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:40:54 GMT

It totally depends on what day it is. If it is an IM day, I'll do a lot more fly than if it is a distance day. However, I rarely swim only 3000! Come opn kids, let's really do some work!

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Former Member — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:35:35 GMT

BTW, I know first hand from training briefly with Ande Raz, that he swims about .01% of his workouts butterfly...LOL!!....Sorry Ande I have to take my jabs when I get the chance...remember that one arm butterfly doesn't count!!....So even though you swim IM's...Seriously Dude....how many IM's do you actually swim at practice with regular 2 arm butterfly?...It's a wonder you can sprint butterfly so well and swim IM's so well??....More reason to want to take you down! Newmastersswimmer

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Former Member — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:46:23 GMT

When I was "in shape", about 800 y/m was the "lethal limit" of how much fly I could do in a workout and still be able to get out of bed to go to work the next morning due to carryover fatigue. Didn't matter if it was all in one v-e-r-y slow stretch or broken into 25s, mixed into IM's or what kind of warmdown I did.

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Former Member — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:42:22 GMT

Oh for the old days just 1 x 100 m trying to break 1 minute. Three times a week.

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Former Member — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:23:42 GMT

Since I'm injured right now, I do no fly in practice. Even if I was healthy, I would rarely go above 10% fly as I am not an IMer or a flyer (go backstroke...). The IMers/Flyers on my team would probably go above 10% on certain workouts...but I doubt any of them would go above 30%...it would be the rare workout that they did.

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Donna — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:52:09 GMT

Before I did my first 200 fly in competition I made a habit of ending every practice or every other one with a 200 fly when I was dead tired. On long distance days there is really no way to get fly into the workout and yet keep the yardage up. But on IM or stroke days I do try to do fly to build up my shoulders. Today I did 20% of the workout fly, but that is not the norm. I figure if I can gain some endurance doing fly all of my other strokes should benefit too. Keep Flyin!:D

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art_z — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:38:41 GMT

the kids that i train with (small Div I school) that are flyers will routinely do sets like 6 or 7 100s fly say on 1:25 or 1:30. me, I'm good for some 50s or 25s, but I never really trained much fly and other than doing IMs, I dont like doing it in practice, it tires you out too much.