Handicap rules for USMS

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Former Member — Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:29:49 GMT

I guess I fall into the late bloomer category too ... someone tell me, is that a bad thing?

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Jim Clemmons — Mon, 19 Sep 2005 05:44:05 GMT

I guess I fall into the late bloomer category too ... someone tell me, is that a bad thing? Depends what you're trying to "bloom" and we're not talking onions here.

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Former Member — Mon, 19 Sep 2005 05:27:34 GMT

1) We can't take the swimmers word for it that he has a nagging wife. They will have to bring them to the meet to be verified. Mr. Gill, now that you will be in charge of servicing members in our organization, this just might be the perfect task for you to warm up for your new duties. ;)

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Jim Clemmons — Mon, 19 Sep 2005 04:19:47 GMT

Mr. Gill, now that you will be in charge of servicing members in our organization.... Must have missed that vote. Was that one from one of the late nights in what was termed "hospitality" Mark?

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:44:50 GMT

Ah, actually....Mr. Moose was poking fun at everyone for getting sucked back into the same old junk.....me included! Golly Gee Ion, come on, lighten up and at the very least carry on a simple, dignified argument with a Moose.

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:44:15 GMT

This: Originally posted by aquageek Boo freakin' hoo is geek's own Boo freakin' hoo: it's the whining of the 'ground breaking contributors' to swimming 'Magnus von Pounderson', 'Farney McGee' and 'David Wooderson', the non learning on this subject for years, the avoidance for years of gull's corroboration on the subject. After 'David Wooderson', expect from geek an impersonation like 'Stone MacFarlane': that's the maximum possible extend of his 'knowledge' for swimming.

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:40:32 GMT

"When commenting on my times, mocking and ignoring information." Things said between us both in past posts have LONG AGO been worked out. I never said anything about your times in this post. As far as my choice to ignore your information, that is my right! I could care less what you swim or what your times are or how much you know or do not know. If you want to push this issue, I can drag the lumber out if needed ....and..... having said that, I see no need for that. What I posted was HUMOR....Actually, Mr. Moose and Ralph posted most of it....and if you have a problem with what they posted, take it up with them. Hey Tom you big Dork, don't do that to us..... Mr. Moose & Ralph

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:35:49 GMT

Originally posted by Tom Ellison Ion, I never mentioned you or said one thing to you and I never ridiculed your activity. I must dream then when every year since 2001 I see these almost unchanged words: Originally posted by Tom Ellison Mr. Moose still lives....(Ralph & Tom as well....) Reading all the time we get to take off for all these things....it reminds me of the VO2MAX Shampoo being so good that IF you put to much on.... you would finish your race before you started....That would be a serious plus here for then we would not have to read the same nonsense over and over and over and over... Would too, would not....too...not... Things that never change...tend to remain the same.... minus my name, but referring to what is perceived that I do ("...Things that never change...") and say ( "...VO2MAX...") in a derisive way.

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:29:01 GMT

Originally posted by aquageek I've never held myself out as having much knowledge on swimming or any topic, for that matter. ... I think you did. When commenting on my times, mocking information about them and ignoring learning.

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:55:54 GMT

Ion, I never mentioned you or said one thing to you and I never ridiculed your activity.

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:08:28 GMT

Stone, then it's a little bit of swimming in the window, but not much.

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:33:28 GMT

Nah, the last three posts didn't nail who the late bloomers are. Having been a swimmer in the window of opportunity, taking time off, then being again a swimmer that's the story of most in USMS. That's not a late bloomer. A late bloomer starts to train for the first time in life outside the window of opportunity, outside the interval 10 to 22. I am one, Dima who posts here is one, Dominick who posts here is another one, Connie who posts here is another one, Mark in MD who posts here is another one, there are others and most triathletes are.

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aquageek — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:58:03 GMT

What about if you swam at age 11 and didn't come back until 21? Such subjectivity, such randomness.

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:17:36 GMT

For Blooming Sakes Geek....you nailed it direct on with that post.... Heck, I bloomed before the trees.....then found out some folks wore bloomers.....then.....I learned that my swimming made me bloom.....Oh well, Mr. Moose and Ralph are now early Bloomers because the "Rule" for Blooming says they are guilty by thinking they are me..... Dang rules.....:(

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 05:29:27 GMT

Wow late bloomers can they make it. Would I be considered a late bloomer being out of the water for 25 years and starting over again in 1998 then not swimming for another 4 years and starting again. Then stopping for a couple more years then out of the water four months and starting to swim again today. Official 1000m a day for the next week, then 2000m a day the next week, then 3000m a day for the next week, then 4000m, then 5000m a day. Watch out Ande here I come. Can I challenge you in January???

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aquageek — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 05:12:58 GMT

I've never held myself out as having much knowledge on swimming or any topic, for that matter. I trust my posts have made that abundantly clear. I enjoy this forum for the insight on swimming it usually provides, along with a number of unique personalities. That's the extend (or is it extent?) of my interest.

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Former Member — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 05:07:47 GMT

Originally posted by Tom Ellison "When commenting on my times, mocking and ignoring information." Things said between us both in past posts have LONG AGO been worked out. I never said anything about your times in this post. ... My quote that you use here is written for geek. It is in this thread that he comments with swimming 'knowledge' on my times.

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aquageek — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:11:18 GMT

Geochuck, the answer is no, no, no. This has been raised as a point before but we have all been advised there is but a single person in all of Masters swimming, even all of swimming, who can lay claim to being a true late bloomer. Mind that if you ever even took a bath as a child or were submerged in a church baptismal pool or even washed dishes in a sink with water at a greater depth than your forearm, you are an early bloomer. Have you ever stood in the rain - then you are an early bloomer. Have you seen a lake, flown over an ocean or accidentally stepped in a puddle - you are an early bloomer. If you have taken shots of V02Max while chasing it with beer from a country that has a lake, river or ocean as a border then you are an early bloomer.

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Former Member — Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:41:28 GMT

Originally posted by Tom Ellison ... Ion, what a classless thing to post..... The post that I wrote there is a counter attack to my activity being ridiculed.

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Former Member — Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:54:25 GMT

"People I met at the 2005 Long Course Nationals who trained with him and coached him in Texas, and who read this forum (Bob the architect, Cathy the coach) told me not to hope for any better from him." Ion, what a classless thing to post.....

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aquageek — Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:18:12 GMT

Boo freakin' hoo

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:54:23 GMT

Originally posted by aquageek I know this will come as a shock but I just went downstairs and looked at the nutrition label on my box of twinkies. They only have 4.5 grams of fat per delicious, moist and tasty serving. That is shocking. I thought you preferred Hostess cupcakes.

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:48:52 GMT

Originally posted by gull80 Just for the sake of argument, I can understand why a "late bloomer" (someone who takes up competitive swimming as an adult) might want to find some means to assess his or her progress in comparison to other swimmers besides looking strictly at (unadjusted) times. Face it, no late bloomer will ever make top ten in my age group (45-49), unless of course they just outlive everyone else. In my case: .) in 2001 it was 27.40 in 50 yards free; .) this season it was 27.06 in 50 yards free; .) in 2001 it was 2:12.22 in 200 yards free; .) this season it was 2:09.11 in 200 yards free; .) in 2001 it was 30.84 in 50 meter free Long Course; .) this season it was 29.60 in 50 meter free Long Course; .) in 2001 it was 2:34.xx in 200 meter free Long Course; (in a fast pool, indoors at King County in Washington State) .) this season it was 2:29.85. (in a slow outdoor pool where I was slowed down furthermore by a heat stroke under a blasting sun) When I had many of my points -but not all- outlined in the thread 'Lifetime best' in place in 2001, including 1,301 kilometers of training over a 52 week season, then how could I improve from there and top 2001? I think that the evolution I described in 'Lifetime best' is about the fine points of improvement. Originally posted by gull80 World class coaches really do talk about a window for maximum aerobic development, but I don't know the science behind that. I think technique (or lack thereof) will always be a major limitation for late starters. ... Unlike Craig though, I don't think that technique is the driving force, I think that technique follows conditioning, conditioning is best done in the window of opportunity, better conditioning allows for better technique, and Maglischo in 'Swimming Fastest' emphasizes training this conditioning at 60% of the mileage in anaerobic threshold. 100 meter free World Record Holder Pieter van den Hoogenband's (Ned.) workouts are at 60% in anaerobic threshold. John opened a new thread ('Swimming -a sport of fads') where he emphasizes this.

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:53:26 GMT

Originally posted by aquageek ...how can it...be impossible to improve one's sporting abilities (say swimming, for instance) to the point of being exceptional? World class coaches really do talk about a window for maximum aerobic development, but I don't know the science behind that. I think technique (or lack thereof) will always be a major limitation for late starters. If you come to New Bern in October for Mumfest, you can try a fried Twinkie. I call it job security.

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Former Member — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:13:31 GMT

Fear not, you probably have caught up already. Seriously, when Asians move to the US and adopt our diet, their risk of heart disease increases significantly.