2005 world championships

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:48:01 GMT

Originally posted by lefty The difference between men and women being easy is that our system (right or wrong) is such that a mother carries more responsibility to her child than the father and humans base their moral judgements of an action on its consequences, not the inherent good or bad nature. As for your wild speculation of Phelps' sex life and self-esteem, I am reminded of a quote from Good Morning Vietnam. I won't tell you what it is, but it has the word "dire" in it. Did I not specifically say, "putting Michael aside" before commenting on self esteem issues? What "wild speculation" did I make about the man's sex life? My suggestion is actually a very common reason for people to be over eager to become intimate. Lastly, please share your quote. The suspense is just killing me.:rolleyes:

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:40:15 GMT

Originally posted by 330man Remarkable swimmer no doubt. Now, putting Michael aside, why is it that when women are "easy" it's a problem but when men do it they are just having fun? Running around jumping in the sack with anybody who is willing is not a desirable trait and is usually a symptom of low self-esteem. Is being "easy" something that you wish your kids to aspire to? The difference between men and women being easy is that our system (right or wrong) is such that a mother carries more responsibility to her child than the father and humans base their moral judgements of an action on its consequences, not the inherent good or bad nature. As for your wild speculation of Phelps' sex life and self-esteem, I am reminded of a quote from Good Morning Vietnam. I won't tell you what it is, but it has the word "dire" in it.

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:33:55 GMT

Originally posted by ande Abstaining for competition is a myth. I've been thinking about writing about this topic as a SFF tip or a separtate thread. a little extra curricular activity isn't likely to hurt an athletes performance and may actually help, as long as the athlete gets a decent amount of sleep and doesn't pull an all nighter. It calms the nerves. ande Amen.

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:22:43 GMT

Originally posted by ande extremely easy? What's the big deal? He's a 19 year old kid so what if he has a little fun who cares what consenting adults do in private looking back on your younger years do you wish you had a. more fun b. about the same or c. less fun he's a remarkable swimmer. ande Remarkable swimmer no doubt. Now, putting Michael aside, why is it that when women are "easy" it's a problem but when men do it they are just having fun? Running around jumping in the sack with anybody who is willing is not a desirable trait and is usually a symptom of low self-esteem. Is being "easy" something that you wish your kids to aspire to?

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:52:28 GMT

Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com Most of the rumors are not what you are suggesting. Instead that he is extremely easy. Oh, I see. Now that is something a bit more shameful.

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:45:34 GMT

Originally posted by 330man It sounds as if you are reffering to rumors of sexual preference. I wound imagine that somebody who spends as much time in the spotlight as Michael would have a very hard time concealing something like that. However, does it really matter if he is? Most of the rumors are not what you are suggesting. Instead that he is extremely easy.

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:36:01 GMT

Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com I only brought up the pics because there are several of them and I know about 10 to 15 young guys who have some really wild things to say about Michael. I've probably heard more rumors about him then any other sports "star." One pic is far further than "warm and fuzzy." It shoudl be used to stop some of the rumors. It sounds as if you are reffering to rumors of sexual preference. I wound imagine that somebody who spends as much time in the spotlight as Michael would have a very hard time concealing something like that. However, does it really matter if he is?

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:16:04 GMT

Originally posted by PeirsolFan I've seen equally warm fuzzy pics of Phelps with Beard. It's just a big family. They've all known each other for years and years. I only brought up the pics because there are several of them and I know about 10 to 15 young guys who have some really wild things to say about Michael. I've probably heard more rumors about him then any other sports "star." One pic is far further than "warm and fuzzy." It shoudl be used to stop some of the rumors.

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DanSad — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:45:43 GMT

Semi related topic... Maybe he's young and I'm getting old but does anyone feel that heavy swim training has a negative effect on libido?

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ande — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:39:28 GMT

Personally, I don't slap that label on women or believe in the the stud / *** thing. We all have choices, we make decisions, take actions and those actions have consequences. I hope people regard intimacy as a special thing, that isn't rushed into. It changes relationships and can set off a flurry of positive and negative emotions. I hope my children don't aspire to be easy, we've kept them very busy, it's hard for them to be easy. I've heard nothing about Phelps antics. Though my guess is he's presented with more opportunities than most because of being a celebrity. ande Originally posted by 330man Remarkable swimmer no doubt. Now, putting Michael aside, why is it that when women are "easy" it's a problem but when men do it they are just having fun? Running around jumping in the sack with anybody who is willing is not a desirable trait and is usually a symptom of low self-esteem. Is being "easy" something that you wish your kids to aspire to?

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ande — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:28:20 GMT

Abstaining for competition is a myth. I've been thinking about writing about this topic as a SFF tip or a separate thread. a little extra curricular activity isn't likely to hurt an athletes performance and may actually help, as long as the athlete gets a decent amount of sleep and doesn't pull an all nighter. It calms the nerves. ande Originally posted by Jeff Commings There is always a large amount of "hooking up" after international meets. You've been with these people for a while (sometimes more than a month), and a connection is made. Not to mention the fact that you've been tapering and have abstained for the big meet. Teenage (and older) hormones running wild, and the thrill of the meet finally being over will do some things to your body. But these guys have Duel in the Pool tomorrow, as well as nationals for some. They have a little longer to wait.

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ande — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:15:26 GMT

extremely easy? What's the big deal? He's a 19 year old kid so what if he has a little fun who cares what consenting adults do in private looking back on your younger years do you wish you had a. more fun b. about the same or c. less fun he's a remarkable swimmer. ande Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com Most of the rumors are not what you are suggesting. Instead that he is extremely easy.

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knelson — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:15:14 GMT

Originally posted by Jeff Commings Not to mention the fact that you've been tapering and have abstained for the big meet. Abstained for the big meet? Did they teach you these old wives tales at Texas? ;)

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:41:20 GMT

Blue Lohan is an actress ... As for the partying ... all the athletes I know party hard. Never heard about Sandeno and Locthe?! She was with some baseball player for ages ... hmm ... As for Phelps and Moss I doubt they are together but who cares if they are. There is plenty of bed hopping after most NCAA championships, too ... in fact in college in general there was a lot of bed hopping ... hmmm ... I am sure that the athletes that aren't swimming at Nationals will have themselves a good ole time tonight, tomorrow, and probably for the rest of the week ... they deserve it ... work hard, play hard, party hard is a fantastic motto ...

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 10:47:47 GMT

How can you smoke and make the national team? Those are some serious lungs. Can you imagine how well she would do if she stopped smoking? I don't think I have ever heard of her, what events does she swim? Hook'em Blue

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 10:28:48 GMT

Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com I only brought up the pics because there are several of them and I know about 10 to 15 young guys who have some really wild things to say about Michael. I've probably heard more rumors about him then any other sports "star." One pic is far further than "warm and fuzzy." It shoudl be used to stop some of the rumors. Phelps had a huge crush on Lindsay Lohan after the Olympics. :( He didn't know she had a boyfriend and was a (gasp) smoker. Poor guy was terribly embarassed. Her loss!

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tjrpatt — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:14:12 GMT

Before I went to college, I would never thought that swimmers smoke but at my college team, there were like 10 people on the team that smoked. Of course, I was in a state of shock. This one teammmate probably a half of pack of cigarettes a day but he would do a low 3:50s in the 400y IM and about low 1:50s in his 200 fly. So, smoking didn't phase some of these swimmers abilities and they didn't have any problems during practice. This one girl on my team was under 2:10 in her 200y back and under 2:10 for her 200Y IM.

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 06:54:05 GMT

I've seen equally warm fuzzy pics of Phelps with Beard. It's just a big family. They've all known each other for years and years. SwiminOn - With Natalie it's just hard to pinpoint the problem. From the Olympic website: "...in 1998 she became the first person to ever qualify for Nationals in every event, every distance, and every stroke." Poised to be another Phelps almost. There's no abstaining for the big meet... Not at the Olympics, anyway. www.ledger-enquirer.com/.../9284244.htm

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 06:51:07 GMT

Originally posted by 330man Did I not specifically say, "putting Michael aside" before commenting on self esteem issues? What "wild speculation" did I make about the man's sex life? My suggestion is actually a very common reason for people to be over eager to become intimate. Lastly, please share your quote. The suspense is just killing me.:rolleyes: 330 man: When someone says something like, "I do not want to preach, but..." preaching is EXACTLY what they want to do. So just because you said "putting Micheal aside" does not absolve you. If your comments had nothing to do with Micheal, then why would you have posted them in this context? That said, I was just having some fun with you. I apologize! And I did not mean the Good Morning Vietnam thing. I was just trying to amuse myself and the others who appreciate that movie! Jeff: Regarding the the opposite sex not allowed in the room rule: somewhere in there is a joke about divers...

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tjrpatt — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 06:36:49 GMT

I think that Phelps was hitting himself over the head that he had a crush on her after seeing her new horrible look. Male Swimmers are still being discriminated by the starlets in the states. If he was the best football or baseball player, they would be calling him every night and flying into Michigan every weekend like they do for Tom Brady. Also, don't forget that Jenna Bush turned him down, what was she thinking. Then again, he is better off.

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 06:13:01 GMT

I now know of the quote and without revealing specifics, it does not apply to me but I appreciate your concern just the same lefty.:D

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ande — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 02:12:28 GMT

It depends where you are in the training cycle if you're ramping up into heavy traning you may find yourself more fatigued and less in the mood. where as if you're accustomed to heavy training it's just another day at the office. if you're coming down from heavy training during a taper, you might feel an increase in energy. typically the swimmers i've known have a work hard play hard party hard mentality They wouldn't let a tough work out get in the way of an opportunity to frolick. Though as I age tough training tends to take a toll. Ande Originally posted by DanSad Semi related topic... does anyone feel that heavy swim training has a negative effect on libido?

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ande — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 02:05:39 GMT

he can't really write the quote here but if you google dire "good morning vietnam" you will find what you seek ande Originally posted by 330man Lastly, please share your quote. The suspense is just killing me.:rolleyes:

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Jeff Commings — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 01:20:34 GMT

I knew about the abstaining thing before college, but I was never told it was a myth until I was about 23. Not that I was really missing out all those years before that. In any case, there's a clause in the papers you sign when you are about to depart for a major international meet that you can't have sex ... with a member of the opposite sex. They word it as "No members of the opposite sex shall occupy the same room with the doors closed." If it happens, I really do believe they kick you off the team. But if you're gay, it's open season!!!!! :p

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Former Member — Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:23:39 GMT

news.yahoo.com/.../r4160603808.jpg More good photos here: news.yahoo.com/.../071905worldaquatic