need drills for practicing back-*** turn

RE: need drills for practicing back-*** turn

poolraat — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:08:24 GMT

There have been officials who have never seen the rollover turn before I did it in a meet, and they were confused and initially DQ'd me because it was different. I wondered if they had ever watched an elite swimmer race the IM before? Jeff I've seen officials get confused by seeing something they have never seen before, too. I officiate age group meets and I've always taken the attitude that if I have to ask myself "was that legal?" then it is a no call because an official must be certain of the rule before calling a DQ.

RE: need drills for practicing back-*** turn

Former Member — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:08:05 GMT

Hi all, I have got video clips of back-*** rollover turn. And I just cannot do it. Do you have drills of step-by-step then I can learn it step-by-step. Btw, while you touch the wall on your back, then you turn to you side, your head down all the way towards the bottom of the pool as you are doing a flip turn… So what is origin of power to turn on you side?? Please share your expertise…. Thank you very much.

RE: need drills for practicing back-*** turn

Former Member — Fri, 01 Jul 2005 16:18:37 GMT

Thanks, craiglll@yahoo.com. Swimming Fastest? Do you mean... www.swim2000.com/product.php Pls confirm. Thank you.

RE: need drills for practicing back-*** turn

Former Member — Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:31:41 GMT

Also, look into Swimming Fastest. I wrote down the pagesbut now I can't find the piece of paper. I know he does a whole section on all three back/*** turns.

RE: need drills for practicing back-*** turn

Former Member — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:50:03 GMT

Thank you very much, Jeff Comming, Scooter.

RE: need drills for practicing back-*** turn

Former Member — Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:35:49 GMT

I hope this is what you need to know: While on my back, left arm goes straight out over my head. I cross my right arm at an angle over my chest, and at the same time, roll my body over to my stomach. I finish pulling the stroke, with enough momentum to flip at the wall.

RE: need drills for practicing back-*** turn

Former Member — Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:40:08 GMT

Hi, could anyone share some step-by-step drill to learn 'crossover' turn for back-***? Please..................

RE: need drills for practicing back-*** turn

Jeff Commings — Mon, 27 Jun 2005 06:30:47 GMT

Rob, they're looking for a back to *** turn. It seems to me that yo demonstrated a backstroke turn. This is best I can do to explain the turn: At the flags, count the number of strokes you would take to touch the wall. If you'll touch with your right hand, turn your head back and to the left (slight homage to "JFK"). Your right arm will recover and go behind your head and reach for the wall while your body is rotating to the left. If you put your right arm in front of your head, chances are good that you'll over-rotate and be disqualified. Once your hand hits the wall, continue rotating your body towards the left side while flipping over as you would for a freestyle or backstroke turn. That means you will flip and your feet will point slightly upwards. The hand that touched the wall should recover close to the surface or over it, while the other arm sneaks forward underneath your body. This is quite difficult to explain verbally. I learned by watching my teammates in college and IM competitors. And I taught some of my age groupers by getting in the water and showing them. They learned quicker that way than me showing them on deck. I must warn you: Doing the turn takes A LOT of energy. You will need to have a good amount of lung capacity because you'll be underwater for at least five seconds from the time you look back to the wall to the time you surface from the pullout. It's true that the turn is faster than the open turn. But if you can't stay underwater through the pullout, then you've lost the advantage. My recommendation is to not do the turn in the 400 IM. And to practice the turn EVERY TIME YOU DO A BACK TO *** TURN. Practice makes perfect. It took me six months to have the confidence to do in in a meet. Not just for the breath control, but to assure I wouldn't get disqualified. Which brings up another point. There have been officials who have never seen the rollover turn before I did it in a meet, and they were confused and initially DQ'd me because it was different. I wondered if they had ever watched an elite swimmer race the IM before? Three of the top four finishers in the 200 IM did the turn in Athens. So at local meets you might want to be a little conservative on the rollover. Don't worry about it at nationals, though, because those officials have seen it before and know how far is too far before you're on your stomach. Good luck!!!!

RE: need drills for practicing back-*** turn

Former Member — Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:24:24 GMT

Thanks, LindsayNB. Could someone please advise me of some step-by-step drills to practice back-*** turn? Thank you very much.

RE: need drills for practicing back-*** turn

Former Member — Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:21:28 GMT

Go to swim.ee and look under the IM videos, they show the back to *** turn.

RE: need drills for practicing back-*** turn

Former Member — Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:13:46 GMT

Thanks, Ande. I am sorry that I did not make myself clearly. I may also need some 'description' on HOW to do a correct and qualified back-*** turn. Or if there is a video-clip that I could download?? And, besides open turn, how many kinds of back-*** turn are there?? Thank you for your clarification.

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Former Member — Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:37:11 GMT

I do a flip turn on 100IMs and 200IMs and on 400IMs it depends on how much oxygen I've got in my lungs. The flip is A LOT faster for me. Basically you just gotta practice and do it. I do better on my right arm.

RE: need drills for practicing back-*** turn

ande — Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:24:03 GMT

you just need to do a lot of turns and get comfortable with the one you prefer. I suggest you start in the middle of the pool swim backstroke to the wall and do a back to *** turn with an underwater pull out then stop in the middle of the pool and rest a little then do another one. practice turning on each arm, for some reason back to *** turns feel better/faster from my left arm than my right. try the bucket turn and the flip over turn I prefer and do the flip over turn. Do many slow turns to get used to them then speed up till you're doing a few at race pace. get timed from the flags to the flags in and out of a turn try different kinds of turns to find which turn is fastest for you the flip is fastest for me but sometimes it's good to get a big breath from an open turn also flip the turns in regular training try to do the turn with someone beside you and gauge where you are versus them when you come off the turn. try to go in even and come out ahead. good luck ande Originally posted by RayT Hi all, Could someone please share with some drills for practicing rollover turn on your side for backstroke-breaststroke? Thank you very much.