A Faster Pool than Fort Lauderdale

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Former Member — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:30:18 GMT

Oh Fort Lauderdale is the Blue Note Night Club still accross the street from the pool. Had many a jug of beer there in 1955.

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Former Member — Mon, 20 Jun 2005 05:10:53 GMT

Mr. Commings..... even though my measly 53's for 100IM's are not sufficient to over power that strange stroke on the 3rd length, I have one ultimate revenge in the end..... i.e. old age. Every year I will drag you with me, like it or not..... :-) John Smith

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Jeff Commings — Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:40:37 GMT

Originally posted by TheGoodSmith No one cares about those foolish events (along with breastroke) anyway. John Smith Those of us who go against you in the 100 IM do.

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Former Member — Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:21:39 GMT

Agreed.

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Former Member — Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:55:15 GMT

"Bobby Patten doesn't have enough sense to stay OUT of the 500, mile and 200 fly" Bobby Patten was MADE for those events....and then some....

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Former Member — Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:49:27 GMT

Life is about strategy........... negotiations..... positioning. You take it out hard and go for the TV camera footage early in the race. After all, these first laps are the ones that always feel the best.... When it comes to the 1000 and the mile I say "Carpe Diem" people......... live for the moment. A little 200 for time during the 1,000 keeps your foes on their toes. It give Mr. Gill food for his announcements as well. Evil Smith..... if Bobby Patten doesn't have enough sense to stay OUT of the 500, mile and 200 fly, it is not my problem. No one cares about those foolish events (along with breastroke) anyway. John Smith

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Former Member — Sun, 12 Jun 2005 06:14:17 GMT

All I know is that when Goodsmith's 1000 splits were posted on the results site I finally understood the phrase "helpless with laughter", but I applaud his jam...

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knelson — Sun, 12 Jun 2005 01:32:19 GMT

Originally posted by Phil Arcuni If you look at how Goodsmith paced the 1000, he either demonstrated *lots* of ego, or a remarkable *lack* of brains! That's funny. I saw this swim and didn't realize I was watching TheGoodSmith (TM). I don't think you call that bad pacing. I think you call that a 200 for time followed by an 800 cool-down :)

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Former Member — Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:49:10 GMT

If you look at how Goodsmith paced the 1000, he either demonstrated *lots* of ego, or a remarkable *lack* of brains!

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Paul Smith — Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:20:59 GMT

Evil-Goodsmith..........that explains your winning the 50 (and 100/200) against Bobby in the "king of texas" bets last month. So what does it take for Bobby (if not ego) to wax you in the 500/1000? Brains?

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Former Member — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:49:44 GMT

Ebuna. He's done a little masters swimming as well. Swam at Nationals last year.

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Former Member — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:47:32 GMT

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....I think the mountains in W. Texas are beautiful.....as much so as TN, ID or anywhere else...Now, are they blooming? Na....they are very rugged...but like Texans...that rugged look equates to beauty...as in beautiful big belt buckles....big trucks....big watches....huge land....big hats....I could go on and on...but you get my point....Their is a reason they call it the United States of Texas..... posted by MM You forgot to include Big Texas size Egos as well!! (Ala GoodSmith and his reg tag UT posse of Masters swimmers...lol...no offense right Mr. GoodSmith, ...and Ande et al...you are still lurking out there somewhere....I mean God is omnipotent right??) Newmastersswimmer

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Former Member — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:21:53 GMT

Frank....again my memory may be on the slide...and I do not know how to spell their names....but, I remember two other TN swimmers that were very, very fast back then...Buna and Rendall?

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Former Member — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:19:37 GMT

The AMOUNT matters as well Jim...given that Texas has over 40 peaks higher the TN.... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....I think the mountains in W. Texas are beautiful.....as much so as TN, ID or anywhere else...Now, are they blooming? Na....they are very rugged...but like Texans...that rugged look equates to beauty...as in beautiful big belt buckles....big trucks....big watches....huge land....big hats....I could go on and on...but you get my point....Their is a reason they call it the United States of Texas.....;)

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Former Member — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:12:53 GMT

You are right that TN had great teams. They won the 1978 NCAA Championships and were favored to win in 1979 but were 2nd. I think those were the best finishes they ever had. I remember Marc Forman and Paul Carter who is swimming very well now in USMS were on those teams. I still think that Tennessee had the 3 best sprinters in NCAA history from the same school during a 10 period. Those sprinters were David Egar, John Trembly, and Andy Cohen. originally posted by Frank Thompson I actually have had the pleasure of meeting John Trembly on several occaissions while I was residing at U.T. (...John was the head coach of the Vol Swim Team while I was in Grad School there from 1995 - 2001....and may still be the head coach?).....He seems like a very cool guy! And MM, The Moose Man has to tell it like it is....and Jim the facts are the facts...! posted by the moose man in relation to his meager list of Texas mountains I suppose?? I have to agree kristilynn on this one for the most part.....the only difference is that our "hillbilly hills" (as you so eloquently put it) actually have "lots" of beautifyul wild flowers covering them in the Spring....Look at those "lame" photos Ande posted earlier of the Texas "desolate and flowerless" excuse for hills...LOL!!.....The facts are the facts all right...that's really what I meant by "real" mountains.....What is it with Texicans thinking everything is measured by "size"??.....You and your oversized 10 billion gallon Hats, giant belt buckles, and oversized hood ornaments.....poor Texicans can't understand any other measure of interest but size!! newmastersswimmer

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Former Member — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:35:28 GMT

The Moose Man has to tell it like it is....and Jim the facts are the facts...! TN did have one heck of a swim program back then...and...if my old Moose memory is not going to far south...I believe TN was Nat. Champs in swimming in the early 80's. Marc Forman was a 200 back SCM WR holder and swam on TN's Nat. Championship team along with some other very fast swimmers.....No one can take anything away from TN...but in the long run....TX & SMU ruled in those days.....

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Former Member — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:10:56 GMT

Sorry.....I looked on google and Bill Barrett swam for UCLA not Texas.....so I'm thinking of someone else then.....Anyway, I thought Texas had an IMer who was on par with Lundquist back then .....but if so, I can't recall who it was......It's hard to keep track of all those fast swimmers in Texas I suppose......I can't take that away from the state of Texas....but I'll never give up my position that Tennessee is superior in football......We Tennesseans have to have something over Texas now!! newmastersswimmer

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Former Member — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:49:46 GMT

The closest they came was a second place finish in 1983 behind Florida. It was close, though, 238-227. It looks like SMU only won the 200 medley relay, though. Also Lunk didn't win the 200 *** that year. originally posted by Knelson So even though Texas won all the Conference titles during the Lundquist era, ....looks like SMU did rank higher at NCAA's over Texas at least one of those years then......I'm sure that both teams were fairly evely matched back then and both were top 5 Nationally each of those years as well......There was a guy who swam IM from Texas that was also very fast (and he and Lundquist would go back and forth breaking each other's National record .....I think his name was Barrett maybe? (was it Bill Barrett ?).....Anyway, I'm too lazy to look it up on google I guess. Newmastersswimmer

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Frank Thompson — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:47:48 GMT

Tom: You are right that TN had great teams. They won the 1978 NCAA Championships and were favored to win in 1979 but were 2nd. I think those were the best finishes they ever had. I remember Marc Forman and Paul Carter who is swimming very well now in USMS were on those teams. I still think that Tennessee had the 3 best sprinters in NCAA history from the same school during a 10 period. Those sprinters were David Egar, John Trembly, and Andy Cohen.

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Frank Thompson — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:17:41 GMT

Jim: I think the guy you are thinking about is Scott Spann who I believe swam for Texas for 2 years after transfering from Auburn. I believe he was 2nd in the 200 IM behind Bruce Furnis but I believe he was swimming for Auburn then. SMU pretty much dominated Texas up until 1980. I believe that year was the changing of the guard. Texas being to build with swimmers like Clay Britt, Kris Kirchner, William Paulas, Scott Spann, and others and I don't think SMU beat them in a dual meet or conference meet once these swimmers came on board and they started to recruit around this base. I also believe that the Texas Swim Center was built in the early 80's and this helped with their recruiting efforts along with having a proven coach like Eddie Reese. I do remember SMU being a very good swim program in the late 60's and early 70's. They came to Univ. of Michigan in 1969/1970 period and had the longest dual meet win streak at like 80 in the country and Michigan beat them by 1 point in that dual meet. I remember it well because Larry Driver was the Michigan HS State Champion in the 100 *** in 1969 and 4th in the nation behind B. Job, T. Bruce, and S. Issak and he swam for SMU. They had some great swimmers on that team like Fred Schlicher, Charley Minder, Ronnie Mills, and the late great Jerry Heindrich. I beleive that was there best team until the one that got 2nd in 1983 at the NCAA Championship.

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kristilynn — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:05:26 GMT

Originally posted by newmastersswimmer Moose Man, As far as the Big Bend goes.....I did say "real" mountains right?......and as far as West Texas goes.....Hmm??....Never been there so I can't really refute or support that one (So I'll edit my last posting to exclude West Texas.....that still leaves enough of Texas to engulf at least 3 or 4 of the more moderately sized other states) newmastersswimmer Okay, like Heather (or is it Keather?) I have no reason to get involved as I have nothing against either Texas or Tennessee. But face up to facts -- neither of your states have mountains, hills perhaps, but MOUNTAINS? No, sorry. Although I don't doubt that your hills are very lovely when they are covered in spring flowers.

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mattson — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:16:05 GMT

Originally posted by TheGoodSmith Dude, It's like matter and antimatter. You don't want to mix the two together........... ever. Gahh, I missed my chance to make an on-topic posting! (Or is the topic Texas rivalries? Florida pools? :p ) You are welcome to check out the Fermilab web site and point out an appropriate place for us to add, "Wrongly colliding protons and anit-protons for over 30 years." :) On the other hand, if you meant that we should never mix matter, anti-matter, fire ants, and politicians (the aborted SSC project in Texas in the early '90s), then you are absolutely right.

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Former Member — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:31:33 GMT

I will say this about Tennessee and their late 1970s program under "the man" ..... Ray Bussard. They totally dominated and changed sprint freestyle in their day. They totally stacked the 50 free finals of the NCAAs like no other team since.... including Auburn. It was an impressive feat to say the least. His teams always had a lot of spirit..... some crazy initiation stories.... but a legendary past none the less. As for big egos........... you must have a decent sized ego to properly swim the 50 free..... :-) John Smith

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Former Member — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:27:02 GMT

Texas being to build with swimmers like Clay Britt, Kris Kirchner, William Paulas, Scott Spann, and others posted by Frank Thompson Also lets not forget Chris Rives as well.....I had the pleasure of having my butt served back to me on a silver platt back in highschool by Chris in the finals of the 100 fly and 200 IM at the Texas State Championships in 1981 (or maybe it was 1982??)!! Newmastersswimmer p.s. Chris swam for Memorial high school (in Houston) along with Masters swimming phenom Dean Putterman.....They won state in the year I am reffering to above with 4 swimmers in attendance (and one diver who only scored one point for them)....the other two swimmers were tjord Brink and Larry Craft......Chris was the most phenominal of the group though IMHO ...Although they were all fast as hell!

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knelson — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 02:05:39 GMT

Originally posted by newmastersswimmer but I thought SMU actually won the National Championships one of those Lundquist years......Didn't they win like 2 or 3 out of the 4 relays at NCAA's one year with Lundquist on each of them? The closest they came was a second place finish in 1983 behind Florida. It was close, though, 238-227. It looks like SMU only won the 200 medley relay, though. Also Lunk didn't win the 200 *** that year. www.ncaa.org/.../2003WinterChampsRecords.pdf