underwater record

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Former Member — Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:09:00 GMT

I had two ideas for why to fill up the stomach with air: An extra supply. I bet that if you practice it you could mix the stomach air and the lung air while underwater. or, perhaps there is some (small) O2 absorption in the stomach lining or small intestine. If you could push it in there . . . Both options require remarkable and somewhat disgusting control of one's internal muscles. But if anyone could do it, this guy looks like he could.

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Former Member — Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:57:08 GMT

I thought this was very interesting. I thought he kept his head loo low for best streamline. Obviously has a good breaststroke kick, but his push off streamline could be better. And I actually feel a regular breaststroke done underwater is more efficient than continuous pulldowns. The Japanese used to stay underwater for up to five minutes in the 1950's, thay swam the 200 meter *** with 5-6 total breaths. Best I ever did was 100 yards as a kid (16) underwater, but that was before asthma. But at swim meets I ALWAYS swim at least 4 seperate lengths underwater to open up the lungs, and I never breathe out. When I was young I was taught to exhale during the underwater stroke, but now I never do.

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Former Member — Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:35:40 GMT

Did you mean Air SUPPLY for the artists on the song "All I need is the air that I breathe"? I believe I met the composer back in the early 80s. In fact, if it's the right guy--he sold my sister his dining room table (while in CA) and she's still using it 20+ years later! Is the composer "Norman" something?

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knelson — Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:32:11 GMT

Originally posted by msgrupp Did you mean Air SUPPLY for the artists on the song "All I need is the air that I breathe"? :D No, the group is Air. They're a modern French electronic duo. "Air That I Breathe" was by The Hollies, not Air Supply.

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Former Member — Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:02:28 GMT

Our coach had us swim under water during water polo practices, our pool was 15 yards across and we did 15 of these trying to do it with one full pull underwater stroke.

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Jim Clemmons — Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:48:21 GMT

Originally by Geek: Come to think of it, beer was involved as well. Beer's probably what started you off on the endeavor as well. :)

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BillS — Thu, 02 Jun 2005 06:43:41 GMT

I like to swim an underwater 25 every now and then to work on breath capacity and control. Like Bob McAdams, I assumed that faster was better for getting there. I usually can only do them consistently at the beginning of the workout, when I'm fresh. I was amazed by how slowly, calmly, and deliberately this guy moved. So I tried it today at the end of the workout. Took a few deep breaths, and concentrated on going slowly and easily, working the glide. Result: No problem doing 25's, even when dog-tired. I have no idea what this means for my swimming, but it was kind of a cool swimdown.

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Former Member — Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:23:26 GMT

Fulcrum of the body changes. Helps the legs stay flatter. As some one else said weight loading above the fulcrum.

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Former Member — Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:14:40 GMT

But what good is air in your stomach? Especially if the added buoyancy causes you the need to wear a weight around your neck...

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:36:41 GMT

You should exhale your CO2

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:27:24 GMT

I notice that he did hold his breath the all 2:30 minutes that he took for the 166 meters, with out droping a single air buble, I allways let out a little bit of air every few meters when I do underwater distance diving. I guess I was wrong on my believe. What do you people think about it?

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:10:27 GMT

And I thought I was good 55 years ago swimming underwater for 125 yards. This guy is good.

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:18:29 GMT

Originally posted by fatboy George 125 yds IS good. Were you wearing fins? No fins but I did cheat a little maybe more then a little. Our pool had a three foot ledge separating the deep end from the shallow end. 5' deep on the shallow side , 9 ' on the other side. When I pushed off from the end of the pool I would grab the ledge and get an extra push off with my feet, 2 push offs for every 25 yards. There was another swimmer from our club, Ted StAubin (held the Canadian record for breaststroke) who equalled the distance, I don't know if he cheated or not. I still had a headache after the underwater swim.

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:37:47 GMT

Kind of sad that this guy does this amazing world record and, at best, there are only a few people there to see it. A lonely sport, indeed. On another note (no pun intended), does anyone have an idea of who the music that accompanied this is by? -LBJ

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jswim — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:28:40 GMT

Originally posted by fatboy Dima, Thanks for the post. That was amazing! George 125 yds IS good. Were you wearing fins? I couldn't get the link, but 166 meters is outstanding! wow!!.. and yes, George, 125 yds is great!

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fatboy — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:20:12 GMT

Dima, Thanks for the post. That was amazing! Originally posted by geochuck And I thought I was good 55 years ago swimming underwater for 125 yards. This guy is good. George 125 yds IS good. Were you wearing fins?

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:30:12 GMT

Originally posted by Guvnah I'm curious about the way he fills his lungs before he starts. It's like he's forcing more air into his lungs than a normal breath would take. I have seen this same action by the East Germans and a couple of Dutch swimmers. It appears he is swallowing air into his stomuch and also filling his lungs. It also appears that he has a weight around his neck to help keep under the water.

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:08:52 GMT

I looked on the web and the deepest I found was in 2002 in the No-Limit Class...which uses weights to get down and a float bag to get back to the top...around 485 feet...Wow...

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:41:20 GMT

Geek, you have a tremendous talent for putting things in their proper perspective. From what my friend who competed in free air - deep dives told me, this sport is as dangerous as they get, and when things go wrong, they usually go very wrong, often with fatal consequences. Gosh, some of these world class free air deep divers have been down to 700 feet or so (don’t hold me to that number, but it sticks in my mind), and that is way over the edge of safety in my book. I am not saying they should not do this....I am saying I can think of much better ways to go in the box then this stuff....

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:13:33 GMT

I'm curious about the way he fills his lungs before he starts. It's like he's forcing more air into his lungs than a normal breath would take.

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aquageek — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:13:28 GMT

I wonder if it would be harder or easier in a 50 m pool? The multiple pushoffs provider greater speed but also require more effort.

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 06:00:29 GMT

Very, very dangerous stuff this is! I knew a guy in Rochester, NY in 1971 that was a pretty good swimmer and he darn near died from this stuff....and had he not had great friends in the pool while doing this...he would have died....My take, this should ONLY be attempted with people who know first aid....watching you every step of the way. Other then that, you are really asking for the box! I also knew an off shore free air - deep diver who was world class and he came up in the Med. off Italy in a world class event with blood in his mask...near dead....Very dangerous stuff only for the careful and well trained!

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knelson — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 05:24:11 GMT

Yeah, these deep free dives are insane, but I can see the appeal of what this guy did. At least if this guy passes out he's three feet below the surface. When the free divers pass out they're 400 feet down. This seems like a big difference in my book.

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 05:10:37 GMT

CO2 is only a problem in your blood, not in your lungs. Exhaling won't diminish the C02 content of your blood. You would have to exhale repeatedly to get rid of excess C02. As a matter of fact, the increase in pC02 in your blood is what makes you want to breathe, not the oxygen content. That is why it is a mental game. The only danger is when you get so good at resisting the urge to breathe, when your C02 builds up, and eventually you DO have a problem with lack of oxygen, which will kill you. The C02 will eventually increase your acidosis, but not in that short a period of the apneia. I use to blow out some air, but after reading a lot, it seems reasonable to hold on to the air in your lungs for as long as you can, since the residual oxygen will be uplifted to the blood. That will help you to not pass out, but it won't prevent your need to breathe. billy fanstone

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Former Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 05:07:33 GMT

Wow. The guy sure looks efficient in his stroke. And 5 stroke cycles per 25m length (plus push off wall.) I'll have to count how many I do per 25yd... I have never been able to master a graceful turn, though. Man, he makes it look so easy! Maybe just seeing that video will give me the confidence to make a successful turn that doesn't consume the rest of my air...