I suck at kicking!!!

RE: I suck at kicking!!!

ande — Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:53:47 GMT

dima, just checking back in how things going still working on your kick faster project? please give us some new results ande Originally posted by hooked-on-swimming ops, sorry, Ande, did not see it, I will time myself tomorrow and will definitely let you know...

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ande — Sat, 11 Jun 2005 03:20:40 GMT

hi kerri, congratulations, how exciting! thank you for trying those techniques and letting me know how they worked for you. Wonderful, I bet you're excited. please let me know how your progress unfolds. also when you get your time under 20 start working on your 50 time ande Originally posted by irreklg Ande -- just wanted you to know that I have tried your kicking advice starting about two weeks ago. I am a 48 y/o F who also thought that I sucked at kicking and it was just something that I had to swim with. When I first timed myself for a 25y kick I did it in :28 secs. Today I swam 8 50's -- 25 last battle on earth for time and 25 easy on the 1:30 base. I kicked them all in :23 with the exception of the last one at :22. That is a 5 second improvement in two weeks! I swim LCM once a week and that time for 25M has improved 3 seconds as of last Sunday. Can't wait to try again tomorrow. I train by myself and this was just what I needed for new motivation. Thank you so much for inspiring me with both this and your swimming tips postings. Acting As If was a great post. I have used it in swimming and also with many of my clients who are bravely facing recovering from a stroke. Kerri

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Former Member — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:29:25 GMT

Ande -- just wanted you to know that I have tried your kicking advice starting about two weeks ago. I am a 48 y/o F who also thought that I sucked at kicking and it was just something that I had to swim with. When I first timed myself for a 25y kick I did it in :28 secs. Today I swam 8 50's -- 25 last battle on earth for time and 25 easy on the 1:30 base. I kicked them all in :23 with the exception of the last one at :22. That is a 5 second improvement in two weeks! I swim LCM once a week and that time for 25M has improved 3 seconds as of last Sunday. Can't wait to try again tomorrow. I train by myself and this was just what I needed for new motivation. Thank you so much for inspiring me with both this and your swimming tips postings. Acting As If was a great post. I have used it in swimming and also with many of my clients who are bravely facing recovering from a stroke. Kerri

RE: I suck at kicking!!!

ande — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:12:30 GMT

do a 25 with a board then do a 25 from a dive in streamline position without a board. look forward to reading your results and to the day when you no longer suck at kicking hope you've been doing the training sets ande Originally posted by hooked-on-swimming ops, sorry, Ande, did not see it, I will time myself tomorrow and will definitely let you know...

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Former Member — Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:40:37 GMT

ops, sorry, Ande, did not see it, I will time myself tomorrow and will definitely let you know...

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ande — Thu, 09 Jun 2005 06:37:07 GMT

Dima You who? got an update for us? A

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ande — Tue, 07 Jun 2005 06:55:56 GMT

dima, any updates? what are your best 25 and 50 kick times now? with a board and with out ande Originally posted by ande ok now test yourself on a 25 kick from a dive with no board in streamline position preferably underwater with no breath let me know what your time is if you want to swim faster you need to kick faster Ande

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ande — Thu, 19 May 2005 09:45:57 GMT

ok now test yourself on a 25 kick from a dive with no board in streamline position preferably underwater with no breath let me know what your time is if you want to swim faster you need to kick faster Ande Originally posted by hooked-on-swimming No arm pull, Ande, just touching the wall with the hands on the board and then stopping the watch.As far as the ankle flexibility, I am trying to work on that too, I got myself a monofin, too - that is a cool tool, I'll tell ya :-).Wheh I do kicking sets my feet splash a lot of water actually, I cannot keep them completely underwater, but from what I understand - that is what is needed...

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Former Member — Thu, 19 May 2005 05:47:36 GMT

No arm pull, Ande, just touching the wall with the hands on the board and then stopping the watch.As far as the ankle flexibility, I am trying to work on that too, I got myself a monofin, too - that is a cool tool, I'll tell ya :-).Wheh I do kicking sets my feet splash a lot of water actually, I cannot keep them completely underwater, but from what I understand - that is what is needed...

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ande — Wed, 18 May 2005 05:53:10 GMT

congratulations Dima keep working on it you need to get your 25 meter speed close to 15 seconds how did you do that test 25? with a board or with out? from a dive or a push? on a stop watch or on a clock? free or fly? also try kicking different ways like 1) FREE kick without a board from a dive in streamline position 2) FLY kick without a board from a dive in streamline position 3) 1) FREE kick with a board from a push off the side once you get your 25 under 20 I want you to start working on 50's once you get your 50 kick under 40 I want you to start working on 75's and 100's Now be sure you're working on half lap blasts, 15 meter blasts, and 25 meter blasts all with plenty of rest. then work to transfer your new more powerful kick to swimming. ande Originally posted by hooked-on-swimming All right , Ande, I timed my 25 m. kick sprint and I did it in 24 sec!!!That is 3 seconds faster than I did like 3 weeks ago or so, but I am not surprised, because I did so little kicking before that there was a ton of room for improvement.I wonder if that is what improved my stroke count in freestyle(from 14 to 12-13 per 25m.), although I referred that break-through to a better hip rotation, but if you think about it, maybe that was the stronger kick that gave me a better rotation, too.Well, whatever it was I am satisfied with that.I am going to kick A LOT more now...

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Former Member — Wed, 18 May 2005 05:14:48 GMT

That was the time from a push, with a board, flutter kicking and using a stopwatch...

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ande — Wed, 18 May 2005 02:39:13 GMT

OK now do you take an arm pull going into the wall or just kick and touch the wall with no pull You've got to figure out how to kick faster I believe the kicking sets I've described will help, you might want to stretch your feet / ankles to make your feet more flipper like also do sets where you concentrate on distance per kick at some point when you figure out how to move your legs as fast as you can you then need to learn how to press more water and get more distance from each kick are your feet under water or are you splashing I think it's faster to splash a little on flutter try a 25 for time from a dive with no board. you also want to get where you can make 10 x 25 flutter kick on :30 test what interval you can make 10 x 25 on maybe do it with 5 seconds rest at each wall. keep me posted good luck ande Originally posted by hooked-on-swimming That was the time from a push, with a board, flutter kicking and using a stopwatch...

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Former Member — Tue, 17 May 2005 14:31:41 GMT

All right , Ande, I timed my 25 m. kick sprint and I did it in 24 sec!!!That is 3 seconds faster than I did like 3 weeks ago or so, but I am not surprised, because I did so little kicking before that there was a ton of room for improvement.I wonder if that is what improved my stroke count in freestyle(from 14 to 12-13 per 25m.), although I referred that break-through to a better hip rotation, but if you think about it, maybe that was the stronger kick that gave me a better rotation, too.Well, whatever it was I am satisfied with that.I am going to kick A LOT more now...

RE: I suck at kicking!!!

ande — Mon, 16 May 2005 10:24:58 GMT

DIMA just checking in how are you doing on improving your kicking speed by doing those sprint kick sets? What is your best time now for an all out 25 kick? it is with a board or with out? from a dive or a push? from your go or the coaches go? let us know how you're doing hoping to help you suck less Ande

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Former Member — Mon, 16 May 2005 07:38:17 GMT

Ande, I am working a lot more on my kick now, I feel the improvement, but I want to give it another couple of weeks before I clock it, I just like significant time drops, you know :-)And I want to see them, so I have to hold off on timing for a little bit, lol.

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ande — Mon, 16 May 2005 04:05:25 GMT

aw c'mon DIMA, give us a peep I hope you'll be able to shred your previous 25 time. Inquiring minds wanna know ande Originally posted by hooked-on-swimming Ande, I am working a lot more on my kick now, I feel the improvement, but I want to give it another couple of weeks before I clock it, I just like significant time drops, you know :-)And I want to see them, so I have to hold off on timing for a little bit, lol.

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Former Member — Sat, 30 Apr 2005 16:59:51 GMT

Great!That is the plan.I will work EXTREMELY hard on my kick this month.We will see where it is going to take my overall freestyle permormance...

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ande — Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:53:51 GMT

hi dima, you've got to increase your speed and get your time down you've got to learn how to blast your legs just kick with a board don't worry about rolling when you're on a board right now your kick is a serious weakness, you need to get a lot better work on your kick for a month and let's see where you are beginning of june ande Originally posted by hooked-on-swimming Cool advice, Ande, thanks! I can actually tell you right now what my "all out" time for 25 meters is - it's 27 sec. So you suggest I do not do long kick sets? Just the sprints? Also, are you supposed to kick as if you were swimming frestyle, that is rolling a bit from side to side thus kicking to the sides or do you just kick down?

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ande — Sat, 30 Apr 2005 05:53:44 GMT

right now I can probably flutter kick 25 meters with a board in 15 - 17 seconds and fly kick it in 14 - 16 seconds. There's probably a few people who can flutter kick 25 meters in 13 seconds. So you've got a lot of room to improve. Back when I was in really great shape I could kick a 25 yard flutter from a dive in streamline position with no board in 10.9. YOU might want to do a few streamline 12.5, 15 meter and 25 kicks from a dive with no board. I think you're going to make some serious improvements. good luck keep us posted ande Originally posted by hooked-on-swimming Great!That is the plan.I will work EXTREMELY hard on my kick this month.We will see where it is going to take my overall freestyle permormance...

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Former Member — Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:14:01 GMT

I don't doubt it. His swim time was signifinicantly faster. As Ande has said time and again, the best sprinters are REALLY fast kickers.

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Former Member — Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:59:01 GMT

I read somewhere that Alexander popov could kick a 50 m in 27 seconds.Sounds almost impossible!

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Former Member — Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:32:27 GMT

Cool advice, Ande, thanks!I can actually tell you right now what my "all out" time for 25 meters is - it's 27 sec.So you suggest I do not do long kick sets?Just the sprints?Also, are you supposed to kick as if you were swimming frestyle, that is rolling a bit from side to side thus kicking to the sides or do you just kick down?

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ande — Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:22:56 GMT

didn't that 200 burn like a big dog? how did you split it You suddenly learn splitting is really important and you probably need to back off some when kicking a 200 for time in college my short course yards flutter kicking times with a board were: 50 28.0 100 1:02 ish 200 2:16 I've heard of guys kicking 55's 100 y free with a board, I think Gary Hall could. I think shaun jordan kicked a 23 point something for a 50 yard kick with a board from a dive. There's a few guys who can streamline dolphin kick a 50 yard from a dive under 21 seconds. Neil Walker, Ryan Lochte, Ian Crocker, and Nate Dusing probably can. Aaron Piersol would be very close. I bet natalie coughlin in her prime could probably kick a streamline 50 from a dive in 23 high 24 low. I'm faster kicking fly with a board than flutter with a board. It helps to improve your with a board turns, but only take one arm pull into the wall. I'm fastest kicking fly with out a board, right now I can probably go 50 in 25 or 26 100 in 59 to 62 200 in 2:16 - 2:22 ish right now I'm pretty sure I can make 10 x 50's kick on :40 and 10 x 100's kick on 1:20 I can do 100 breastroke kick repeats on 1:30 on longer kicks or repeat sets when I'm kicking fly with out a board, I'll take one arm pull into the wall and streamline off the wall take a few kicks then kick fly on my side with my arms by my side, I breathe by turning my head to the side if I'm kicking just one fast 15 or 25 it's in streamline position with no breath, on one fast 50 I'll breathe once on the turn. part of one fast 100 is in streamline postion, when I run out of breath I'll kick on my side now you know what your kicking times are now work to better them every chance you get. ande Originally posted by hooked-on-swimming Just out of curiosity, in what kind of times can you kick 50, 100 and 200?I timed myself today and I am just ashamed to even mention them, 'cause they are HORRIBLE!!!

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kristilynn — Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:29:28 GMT

I usually do kick repeats on a :30 base per 25. So... 25s @ :30, 50s @ 1:00, 75s @ 1:30, etc. I usually kick a 50 in :50, so that gives me an average of :10 rest per 50.

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Former Member — Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:36:25 GMT

If I go "all out" free kick, I'm at about 1:00-1:10 for 50 with a board. If I kick on my back without a board, it climbs to about 1:30 for 50. When I kick fly without a board I can do 0:55 for 50. These are top speeds. If I'm going 100 or more, the time per 50 goes up.