1500 m. for elite sprinters

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Former Member — Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:04:06 GMT

Dave, trust me.....you could not be in better hands even if you tried........... Both Montgomery and Patton are as decent as they come and you will receive some of the finest coaching USMS has to offer...... Both, are leaders in---and---out of the pool...!

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Former Member — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:19:36 GMT

Originally posted by Tom Ellison David: Jim is a class guy in every respect....along with Bobby Patton.... If you are getting coached by those guys....you are getting coached by some of the best....both are winners in and out of the pool. I just got started into swimming seriously a few months ago. I got coached by both Jim Montgomery and Bobby Patten through a class offered by their Masters club. The class was taught mainly by other coaches, and fortunately I got to experience Jim and Bobby when they coached a few classes. If it weren't for them and their Masters program, I probably would not be swimming today and posting on this forum. I eventually intended to join thier Masters club when my work schedule cools off. They both post some interesting workouts on their club web site . Jim sometimes inserts funny comments in the workouts. I just got an announcement a couple days ago that Jim has just opened a new swimming school called Triplegold Swim Academy .

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Former Member — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:56:03 GMT

Hey Frank: Gosh, I rest my case..... The guy (Jim) is simply and incredible swimmer....

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ande — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:31:39 GMT

I don't remember going going that time in a 200. Was it on a relay at NCAA's Gary is probably the most talented human swimmer on the planet, but he hasn't trained any where near as hard as he could have. If he had, I believe he would have swum much faster. I think last year Rowdy split a 21.3 or so lead off in the 50 free on a relay at Masters Nationals Ande Originally posted by Paul Smith Ande, Matt was a better 200 swimmer than Gary only in the long run, remember Gary went 1:33+ his freshman year, then basically never swam it again.

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Paul Smith — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:01:57 GMT

Ande, I was on that relay with Rowdy...and it was a lead off time. Along with him was an old team mate of yours...John Smith who was the one pushing and prodding Rowdy through about 8 weeks of training for the meet. PS: John & Bobby Patten are swimming the 500 in FL, if you jump in it should make for a nice race!

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Former Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:57:41 GMT

Can't we all just get along? Originally Posted by Micheal Heather Answer: NO!.....(J/k of course!)

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Former Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:21:37 GMT

Many sprinters sarted out as distance swimmers. also, at the start of the season, many sprinters swim long distances to get their lung capacity up.

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Michael Heather — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:05:16 GMT

I really do not know why people are so surprised to find that sprinters can swim distance events. Last time I checked, everyone who swims does plenty of swimming in the same pool, sprinters and distance people alike. The only difference is a matter of degree. Sprinters can swim distance and distance swimmers can sprint. It is far easier (well, simpler) to go to the longer distance because of the repetitive nature of training. A sprinter does not get to the pool and bust out a 50 or 100 and go home. He does thousands of them to prepare for just the one that counts in competition. Sound familiar? Yeah, kind of like a distance workout, isn't it? Can't we all just get along? I still think that events should be charged by the yard/ meter. How about a buck per? Then distance events would REALLY mean something.

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Former Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:00:07 GMT

David: Jim is a class guy in every respect....along with Bobby Patton.... If you are getting coached by those guys....you are getting coached by some of the best....both are winners in and out of the pool. I swam the Alcatraz Sharkfest and Golden Gate Bridge Swims with Jim and Bobby in 1997....along with 15 other Texan's....and it was a tremendous experience. Kindest regards, Tom Ellison

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Former Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:29:13 GMT

Rowdy suffered Guillan-Bare at age 31 but eventually made a full recovery and returned to swimming.

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Michael Heather — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:14:22 GMT

Hal, You missed both the point of the thread and my post. Of course distance swimmers and sprinters train differently (duh!). The thread is not about that, but rather, about how elite sprinters can swim distance events. I merely pointed out that because of their training, they have the endurance to compete in the longer events. The strength needed is there already due to the nature of sprinting. And I am not making a 1 on 1 comparison. Even the best sprinter is not going to beat the best distance swimmer in a 1500.

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Former Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:14:28 GMT

Interesting thing about Rowdy is that he was faster in late 30's than early 30's

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Frank Thompson — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:19:33 GMT

Back in 1986 Jim Montgomery held every record from 50 Free to 800 Free and he accomlished that at the 1st FINA World Swimming Championships in Tokyo, Japan. In 1987 he swam to a World Record in the 1500 Free and there have been only a select few that have done this in USMS history.

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Paul Smith — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:22:51 GMT

Ande, Matt was a better 200 swimmer than Gary only in the long run, remember Gary went 1:33+ his freshman year, then basically never swam it again.

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ced357 — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:52:44 GMT

Actually, sprinters and distance swimmers train completely differently. And to say that it is easier to be a distance swimmer is completely an error. Real distance swimmers are a different breed of swimmer. They train harder and longer than any sprinter ever has. I have alot of respect for the die hard distance swimmers out there.

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Paul Smith — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:46:12 GMT

Lest we all forget, one of the greatest sprinters of all times if Rowdy Gaines..............check out his WR's for masters on th FINA website: As a 30-34 & 35-39 year old he held the 50-1500 records. Only the 200 has been broken in the 35-39 age grouop, his 1500 record is 16:37.34.

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Former Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:40:53 GMT

Originally posted by Tom Ellison I do not know about the other swimmers mentioned but I do know that the great Jim Montgomery (1st person to bust :50 in the 100 LCM Free in the 1976 Olympic Games in Canada) swam one heck of a fast 1500 free in Dallas a few years ago. I forget his time, but I remember thinking as he swam that 1500.... "Wow, here is former World Record Holder in SPRINT events busting out a very fast 1500 free. " Jim Montgomery was supposed to swim in the Masters SCY swim meet that I attended a couple weekends ago here in Dallas. He was scheduled to swim the 200 yard and 500 yard freestyle events, but he didn't swim. I saw him in attendance as a coach. Jim was my coach for one of my first swim classes back in October. He is down-to-earth and was very patient with beginners. He even got in the water with us to show us how to breathe. It still amazes me that an Olympic gold medalist would take the time to work with beginners.

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Former Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:06:54 GMT

I do not know about the other swimmers mentioned but I do know that the great Jim Montgomery (1st person to bust :50 in the 100 LCM Free in the 1976 Olympic Games in Canada) swam one heck of a fast 1500 free in Dallas a few years ago. I forget his time, but I remember thinking as he swam that 1500.... "Wow, here is former World Record Holder in SPRINT events busting out a very fast 1500 free. "

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tjrpatt — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:39:20 GMT

Who knows but you aren't going to see Hall swim a 1500. I would be shocked to hear that he did a 1500 free. The South African dude is amazing to be a world class distance swimmer to a sprinter.

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ande — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:36:21 GMT

of the 3 at their peaks I'd put money on biondi, I think Matt had a better 200 than the hall or popov which means he should have a better 400, 800 and 1,500 I do believe Tom Jager was nationally ranked in the 1,650 as a 14 year old. If hall had trained really hard in his younger years, or if he had stayed at UT for all 4 years instead of leaving after his freshman year I'm convinced he would have been a much better swimmer. the 50 and 100 require way different training than the 1,500 Ande Originally posted by hooked-on-swimming I was wondering how fast some great sprinters like Popov, Biondi, Hall, etc. can swim 1500 m. distance. I know that Ryk Neethling used to be a distance swimmer, in 1996 and 2000 Olympics he placed 5th in 1500 and now he is one of the best sprinters...