9th lane?

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osterber — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:52:21 GMT

I was running the Easterns meet this week-end where we did the swim-off for 1st alternate in the 500 free. Very strange. In that situation, I've actually seen the swimmers resort to a coin toss. Generally, the referee lets the two coaches mutually agree on when to do a swim-off. I've run meets where there was a tie in the last event, and the coaches agreed to do a swim-off at the beginning of warmups for the evening or something similar. I believe that the 45-minute rule applies if the coaches can't agree, then the referee can just make a ruling. Larry Weisenthan had a story over in rec.sport.swimming about a set of twins awhile back, who both swam the 1650 free, and tied. What was bizarre was that they swam in different heats. But in those distance races, the only time you ever see prelims and finals is at Olympic Trials or the Olympics. Otherwise, you might see a tie in the seeding for 8th, which would mean it would be a random selection as to who was seeded 8th and 9th. -Rick

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Former Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:46:24 GMT

Originally posted by Rob Copeland Assume NCAA rules are similar to USA-S rules “This swim-off may be held at any time set by the Referee, but not more than 45 minutes after the last heat of any event in which any one of these swimmers is competing in that session.” Does that mean that if the tie event is the last for a day the swim-off can be performed right after the swimmers are done with their race?That would be brutal for 1500 or 400 im.

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Former Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:58:53 GMT

I was at a meet where the tie was a 200 fly and the swim off resulted in a tie also. So there was another swim off. Swimming that once would be enough for me.

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Former Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:54:42 GMT

Sam.. OH! You mean "hang a louie" at the wall? I've never been able to, but I am working on my new look...

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Rob Copeland — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:46:35 GMT

And back to the original question… At the Eastern’s (college) meet yesterday there was a tie for 25th place (first alternate) in the 500 free at 4:37.71. In the swim-off at the end of prelims Andrew Thorn of Navy beat out Kent Garber of Yale 4:37.04 to 4:38.12. As a foot note, the top 24 all returned for finals, so neither Andrew or Kent made it back to the bonus heat of the finals.

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Former Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:18:07 GMT

Originally posted by Rob Copeland At the Eastern’s (college) meet yesterday there was a tie for 25th place (first alternate) in the 500 free at 4:37.71. In the swim-off at the end of prelims Andrew Thorn of Navy beat out Kent Garber of Yale 4:37.04 to 4:38.12. . Wow, the kid swam faster at the swim-off.I wonder how much rest they got...As a matter of fact is it regulated how much time one can rest between the tie race and the swim-off?

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Rob Copeland — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 03:11:17 GMT

Assume NCAA rules are similar to USA-S rules “This swim-off may be held at any time set by the Referee, but not more than 45 minutes after the last heat of any event in which any one of these swimmers is competing in that session.”

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Former Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:21:07 GMT

Originally posted by Sam Perry Swim off, winner goes... How about 1500 m free?I would really feel bad for those guys if they had to reswim their distance right after!

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Former Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:31:08 GMT

Sam: Yes, it's one of my favorite movies! Had to laugh when I saw "swim off"...

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knelson — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:29:17 GMT

Swim-offs occur fairly frequently. They usually do them at the end of prelims. The only meets where the 800 and 1500 free AREN'T timed finals (i.e., you only have to swim once) I know of are World Championships and Olympics. But, yeah, a swim-off in the 1500 would show who the real man or woman is!

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Former Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:13:04 GMT

The question is can you do a left turn in the swim off or not? (Only if you've seen Zoolander would you get that one...)

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Former Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:58:30 GMT

Would that be the same as a walk off...? (...first model replicates; second model replicates, then duplicates...) Did you see the movie Zoolander? Great scene with the walkoff...

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Former Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:34:20 GMT

I was at a meet a few months ago where there was actually a tie in a swim-off for 8th place.. Never had seen that before...

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Former Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:46:06 GMT

Would that be the same as a walk off...? (...first model replicates; second model replicates, then duplicates...) ;)

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Former Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:24:23 GMT

Swim off, winner goes...

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Former Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:09:21 GMT

Originally posted by aquageek Ro-Sham-Bo is the method used, best 2 of 3. I do not quite understand.OK, first 7 times will take 7 lanes but then the next best time happens to be the same for 2 swimmers...What kinda "best 2 of 3" are you talking about that will decide which one of the two will take lane 8?

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aquageek — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:55:06 GMT

Ro-Sham-Bo is the method used, best 2 of 3.