Phelps

RE: Phelps

Former Member — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:28:42 GMT

When entering a LCM meet they usually have qualifying times for a 400 fr LCM and an equivalent time for a 500 SCY. Think about it this way, when you swim SC you swim the 500 when you swim LC you swim a 400. Phelps isn't sandbagging, he is entering his 500 time because that is the time you use when entering a LCM meet with a SCY time. Look at psyche sheet again and you'll notice he's about 10 seconds ahead of the next guy using a SCY time. His time is less than 4 seconds off of Dolan's record, which is going to be a tough one to beat.

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Former Member — Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:40:02 GMT

Can anyone post a link to the psyche sheets. I'd like to see who I'm going to watch swim! Thanks!

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Former Member — Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:11:19 GMT

Originally posted by Frank Thompson Don't we have a rule that states if someone has a seed time slower than the historical swim that the Meet Director can put that individual in a faster heat. Isn't that what they call the no sand bag rule. We had a similar issue come up in New England a couple of years ago. We concluded that the meet director does have the discretion to change a seed time if it appears grossly incorrect and would result in a non-competitive heat. The situation was that some very fast swimmers put in very slow seed times to have more rest between events. We utlimately decided that since we didn't include this provisio in our meet literature we wouldn't enforce that year. That is now standard language in our official championship meet information. Most seed times in USA swimming are taken from the swimmers database and usually are based on lifetime best times. I wonder if Phelps times are mistakes, not unusual, and will be corrected before the official pysche sheet is published (usually several days before the competition begins, that is, early next week). BTW, for those interested you can still enter the 2005 NE SCY Championship, albeit with payment of a $16 late fee. This meet will feature 700+ swimmers and based on some of the seed times will also feature some very fast swimming. Expect a real mano-to-mano showdown between Mike Ross and Jim Harvey in the 35-39 age group...51 high for a 100 IM anyone?

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jasoneaddy — Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:39:43 GMT

USS World Champs Psyche Sheet Phelps is seeded with his 500 yard free time. At 4:12, it's definitely not a "sandbag" time, but rather just a way to get him a little more rest in prelims. USS encourages people to enter using cut times from a conforming course (long course here), but does not require it. I also believe that once the Olympic Trial cuts have been set, people making them have the option to enter a real time, or just enter national events at the trial cut. It'd be nice to have to make that choice! I second Bob's motion for coming to the NE meet. I'm just kicking myself because I realize that I'm going to be swimming in many of the heats with Mike Ross & Jim Harvey, so I won't get to watch anything but their kick as they go by!

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Kevin in MD — Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:29:40 GMT

He has said in interviews that people seem to recognize him more in Ann Arbor than in Baltimore. Well, it is Ann Arbor right a bit of a smaller town. And, we saw Michael swim every day. Someone mentioned they saw Michael swim once. Working out at the same place, I couldn't count the number of times I saw him swim. Nice kid though, any town would be glad to have a world famous nice kid like him.

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Former Member — Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:35:59 GMT

Jason: Thanks for the link and don't let those "old" guys beat you. Bob

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Frank Thompson — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:06:42 GMT

There was just a press release today that Michael Phelps will swim 7 individual events at the World Championship Trials setting himself up to possibly swim 10 events in Montreal. The change in schedule from Long Beach is dropping the 200 Fly and adding the 400 Free and 100 Free. If he finishes first or second in the 100, 200, and 400 Free, and the 200 Back, 100 Fly, 200 IM, and 400 IM he makes it in 7 events. If he finishes in the top 6 in the 100 or 200 Free he qualifies for those relays. If he finishes first or second in the 100 Free or 100 Fly he has a shot at the Medley Relay. If they have the same format of prelims, semi finals, and finals he could be swimming 19 times in Montreal excluding relays. Because of the format in Indy, he will swim 14 times which is down from 17 times from Long Beach. The first day he will swim the 400 Free and the 400 IM both prelims and finals. I noticed that his seed time in the 400 Free is slower than the one in the 400 IM from the heats posted on the USA Swimming site. Must need that extra rest. Don't we have a rule that states if someone has a seed time slower than the historical swim that the Meet Director can put that individual in a faster heat. Isn't that what they call the no sand bag rule. After that he swims an event a day except day 4 where he will swim the 100 Free and 200 IM. No one has ever won yet attemped to do this many events in a Trials of any sort that I can remember. Most people can't even qualify for this many events. I wonder if he can qualify for all seven let alone win all 7. What are the chances of him winning not any? His toughest competition appears to be the 100 Fly, 200 Back, and 100 Free. I am looking forward to seeing him swim the 400 Free and seeing if he can challenge the American Record. I also noticed that Natalie Coughlin has entered 4 events which makes her eligible to swim 7 events with relays included if she qualifies. She is swimming the 100 Free, 200 Free, 100 Back, and 100 Fly. It will be interesting to see how shw handles these muti events.

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Frank Thompson — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 01:36:56 GMT

Rob, Michigan Masters has not signed him up. Our LMSC has started a grant program for college swimmers either attending or graduating college swimmers for a free membership for 1 year. He would be a candidate for the program. I met Michael in 2003 at the USAS Convention in San Diego after the awards banquet where he collected both the Swimmer of the Year and Performance of the year USA swimming awards. He was signing autographs and there were several masters swimmers in a line to greet him. He asked what organization we were from and we said Masters. He replied great skit. He said someday he would like his Mom or maybe his sisters to get back into swimming if they had the time and interest. Someone asked if he would join soon and he smiled and didn't honor us with an answer. I think right now he has bigger fish to fry. Being a volunteer assistant coach, student, and swimmer plus his professional and community service priorties makes it a tough almost impossible recruit. Plus right now he is part of a super team with the new addition of "Big Ben" Michaelson to the Club Wolverine team. Just think if they could change the rules and have the workout groups that swim with the University be part of the NCAA Championship we would see Michigan as a possible favorate along with Texas too. This is just a dream to add to the rukus of the super team thread. Some of these club teams could outscore the university teams. I am looking forward to seeing how he does this weekend along with the other swimmers as well. He has become very popular here in Michigan with everything he does reported by the media. Two days ago he was written up in the Detroit Free Press sports section on the meet this weekend. Back last month when he swam exibition at both the Northwestern and Indiana meets they had the largest crowds they have had for back to back meets. The Indiana meet had 1400 swimmers and was a very close meet won by U of M. That day there was a snow strorm and people still showed up hours before the meet started. I think the team responded well to the support given by the crowd. I had a friend that was at the Mongolian Barbecue for dinner one night and in walks Phelps with the Vanderkaay brothers and the place went silent and everyone looked at him as he was being seated. The Vanderkaay's looked like his body guards. He has also been seen at other places with his coach Bob Bowman. He has said in interviews that people seem to recognize him more in Ann Arbor than in Baltimore. Another swimmer I am interested in seeing how he does this weekend is Klete Keller. Rumor has it that he gained 30 to 40 pounds after the Olympics when he took a 5 month break and he reported to training overweight and out of shape. I don't know if this is true but these guys are so young they can take the weight off easily plus he still has that VO2 max development that shouldn't make his swims that bad. If a masters swimmer did that, they would have to think about the body fat they carry at meets and in contrast to this sloppy body shape we would need to be slim and strong. Someone said that to me but I can't remember who. The one person in all of this I would like to see in masters is Bob Bowman. Just recently he has taken up running and has gotten in better shape. I know most coaches don't swim but run instead with the exception of Eddie Reese and Ron Johnson. I suppose they would have to do it when they would get the time. I know I read somewhere that Eddie gets support from the Texas team when he works out. Plus Bob could be the student/pupil and Michael the coach/mentor. Michael did give a private lesson to Matt, host of the Today Show during the Olympics and taught him how to do a flip turn and he had been been trying for years with out success.

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Former Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:26:36 GMT

Originally posted by swimmieAvsFan check out the thread ande started (American Short Course Championships)- that's where i got the links... and... having seen michael phelps swim in person (lucky enough to catch the swim with stars when they stopped here!), i can say that even though breaststroke is his weakest stroke, he could still beat the snot out of a lot of breaststrokers! ;) The link got me no where.

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Rob Copeland — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:30:54 GMT

Try www.utexas.edu/longhornaquatics/swim/HostedMeets.htm There should be some great races. 20 guys have the exact same time in the 200 Free (1:45.19)!;) And now that Phelps is 19, have the Michigan Masters signed him up? If not, I'm sure one of the superteams will offer him a sweet deal.

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:26:55 GMT

A sidenote on the Phelps/Peirsol 200 Back issue...they should both look out for Ryan Lochte, who recently broke Peirsol's 200y back American record at the SEC championships!

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:58:50 GMT

There is no e on the end of that URL: www.freep.com/.../phelps1e_20050301.htm Phelps' schedule: Thursday -- 200 freestyle and 400 individual medley; Friday -- 200 breaststroke; Saturday -- 100 free and 200 IM. He's also scheduled to swim the opening leg of Club Wolverine's 400-free relay Thursday with teammates Klete Keller, Ben Michaelson and Chris Thompson.

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:24:29 GMT

Originally posted by SwiminONandON A breaststroker, really? Obviously the kid is dang fast in all four strokes but *** is definitely his weakest. Of course I am sure he works it all the time to get better at the IM, but I would be surprised if he started swimming the 200 ***, not that I don't think he couldn't. Be surprised! He just announced his schedule for the American Short Course Championships and the newest edition is the 200 ***!! The other surprising thing...he's not swimming either of the fly events. www.freep.com/.../phelps1e_20050301.htm ~Kyra

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jasoneaddy — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:15:34 GMT

The Texas swimmers, and most of the really fast swimmers, use meets like the American Short Course champs as an opportunity to get up and race against fast competition. It's always fun to swim "off" events and quite often you learn a little bit more about how to race your good events in the process. At a meet last summer, I had the pleasure of watching Walker, Peirsol, Dusing, Davis, Lochte, and Crocker race a 200 free and even had the pleasure of getting spanked by Crocker in the 100 fly and Piersol in the 200 fly. They compete on a different level from the rest of the people around and a BIG meet like the ASCC's this weekend is the equivalent of a practice meet for them. No pressure, just a chance to get up and race.

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:01:53 GMT

Ryan Lochte is having an amazing year. I think he'll be the big thing in Beijing. Kyra, I just read that article announcing his events before I came over here. How funny ... I love being proved wrong about what events people will swim. Can anyone provide a link to the actual meet site. I can't find it. Thanks!

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swimmieAvsFan — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 04:55:36 GMT

here's where you can see the Preliminary Psych Sheet (click on the link up top) www.utexas.edu/longhornaquat...HostedMeets.htm here's where you can read results www.tsc.utexas.edu/.../index.htm check out the thread ande started (American Short Course Championships)- that's where i got the links... and... having seen michael phelps swim in person (lucky enough to catch the swim with stars when they stopped here!), i can say that even though breaststroke is his weakest stroke, he could still beat the snot out of a lot of breaststrokers! ;)

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knelson — Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:34:33 GMT

Originally posted by aquageek I bet he is considering chandeliers or quarters, two events he seems to excel at these days. Come on, geek, move into the 21st century. Beer Pong is where it's at these days :)

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Former Member — Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:16:09 GMT

Steph, I didn't mean to imply that the 200 back was Phelp's event. I just meant that it was an event he swam, and I wouldn't consider it to be a new event for him. Aaron owns that event! (YEAH AARON!) I agree that he's probably working on the 400 free, though I think this kid could be great at any event he wanted to swim. I think it'd be hysterical if Phelps went up to Thorpe and Hackett and said, "Hi, I'd like to take over your event now." (I'd also give Thorpie more credit it the 400 than Hackett - Hackett owns any distance beyond that though.) I also think that Thorpe is an amazing swimmer in his own right and will prove to be more than enough of a challenge to Phelps. Thorpie isn't going to just roll over and let Phelps take over the 400. He may be out for the next year, but he's going to come back and come back strong. I have no doubt in my mind that he'll be right there in the 400 in Beijing.

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tjrpatt — Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:03:55 GMT

He probably needs a challenge by changing events. Who knows, this could help him to keep swimming til 2012. All I know is that Thorpe can't handle Phelps territory(the IMs) but I think that Phelps could beat Thorpe in the 200 and 400 free. When is Phelps goings to be on MTV Cribs, I think that he has enough celebrity to be on that show. They have all these unknown Nascar and skateboarders guys on there.

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Former Member — Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:32:31 GMT

SwimOnandOn: I would hardly consider the 200 back "his" event, considering Aaron Peirsol's current status, combined with the fact that he dropped that event for the Olympics. However, I agree that he might possibly be considering the 400 IM. I would venture that he is working towards more distance events, though approaching Grant Hackett and saying, "May I take over your event" may require a certain amount of brass (or drinking beforehand) Of course, at next weekend's American Short Course Championships, Ian Crocker is swimming the 100 back, Brendan Hansen is swimming the 200 IM, and Aaron Peirsol will be attempting (oddly enough) the 200 fly. Talk about mixing up events......so apparently, 'tis the season...

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kaffrinn — Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:22:07 GMT

I also think he's going to do more distance, 400 free on up. Watch out.

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Former Member — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:31:41 GMT

I would place a bet that one of the new events will be the 400m free. His 400m IM demonstrates he's well suited to that distance and I strongly suspect that he'd like to have another go against Thorpe on his home turf. Thorpe has said he's going to move to the shorter events but I don't know that he'll just let Phelps take over the 400.

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Former Member — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:53:31 GMT

Originally posted by aquageek I bet he is considering chandeliers or quarters, two events he seems to excel at these days. Hey - are those going to be new olympic events??:confused: I think it's time to start trainin!:D

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Former Member — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:23:01 GMT

He broke 2:00 in the 200 *** last year mid season. I'd say he could swim the 200 *** fairly well if he wanted.

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Former Member — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:21:57 GMT

Ouch Aquageek! Give the kid a break. He made a mistake (allbeit a rather large one) and since then there haven't been any more reports of him being wild and crazy. I would hate to have to live life in the spot light and have all of my mistakes made public. But back to the point of this thread ... A breaststroker, really? Obviously the kid is dang fast in all four strokes but *** is definitely his weakest. Of course I am sure he works it all the time to get better at the IM, but I would be surprised if he started swimming the 200 ***, not that I don't think he couldn't.