butterfly for older swimmers

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

Former Member — Sun, 09 May 2004 15:54:09 GMT

Still won't work for me. Oh well, I don't need to see a video of my fly - I live it!:)

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Former Member — Sun, 09 May 2004 14:58:00 GMT

Now that I made that post it decided to work on my computer. Happens all the time. Nice fly. You will have to work a little on less splash on your arm entry:D

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Former Member — Sun, 09 May 2004 14:49:21 GMT

I cannot get the website much less the video clip to come up--you are not alone in that boat Scansy.

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

Former Member — Fri, 07 May 2004 15:39:32 GMT

FINA Masters Swimming rules state: The Swimming Rules in Part III of this Handbook shall apply to Masters with the following exceptions: MSW 3.10 A breaststroke kicking movement is permitted for butterfly.

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

Former Member — Fri, 07 May 2004 15:29:13 GMT

I can't do fly well to save my life. After 11 yrs. of trying my club coach gave up. Went home from college one year & practiced with my club team to keep in shape. We were starting a set of 10x200s fly. My coach says to me "You can do IM if you want." He finally gave in and realized that no matter how hard I tried, I was never going to be a flyer. I just don't get it. I have fr. down to a science, but fly is apparently beyond my comprehension.

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

Former Member — Fri, 07 May 2004 15:17:51 GMT

I agree that fly is harder as adult. I swim the 50 yard about 8 to 9 seconds slower than I did during most of my teen years. I did a workout which covered 700 yards of fly but I also did about 700 yards of *** and only 460 yards of free and 120 yards of back. I was in a short distance pool. I think doing a lot of *** with fly was easier on my shoulders. I'm also a breaststroker,so doing less free for that workout was not a concern for me. And the fly/*** is fun, I swam it once in a workout. As for doing 10(200's), I didn't do that much but I remember doing both fly and *** 200 meter swims on one team, I think I could do in workouts fly a little over 3:00 at 17 years old. That year I swam a 2:47.4, now I would be lucky to do under 4:00 in a 200 meter fly. In masters a 2:47.4 would have put you in 2nd in the US in the women's age groups 45-49 and 50-55.

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

Former Member — Fri, 07 May 2004 14:14:45 GMT

Originally posted by swim53 Nice fly, Scansy! Dang it, I seem to be the only one who can't get the link to work. Glad to hear it is "Nice" though.:rolleyes:

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

Former Member — Fri, 07 May 2004 14:01:04 GMT

Hmmmm.... I'm a relatively young guy (34) and my fly looks like a speedboat crash. You know the ones - after the boat lifts off of the water and tumbles with water and parts flying everywhere. Lot's of splashing, little progress and I need to stop soon! Of course, I am not moving that fast.

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

Former Member — Fri, 07 May 2004 13:13:57 GMT

Originally posted by DocWhoRocks We were starting a set of 10x200s fly. That hurts just reading it.

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

mattson — Fri, 07 May 2004 12:43:53 GMT

Originally posted by DocWhoRocks We were starting a set of 10x200s fly. Not just one 200 fly, but 10 of them... You know, suddenly I can't even do one stroke of butterfly. ;) Scansy, you'll be pleased to know, besides the pictures and audio clips from Nationals, there is a mpeg file of your butterfly on the net. Enjoy. (I think my fly looks very similar.) :D

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

Brian Stack — Fri, 07 May 2004 10:06:18 GMT

Originally posted by HoosierRez From the FINA.org site listing rules...... SW 8.3 All up and down movements of the legs must be simultaneous. The position of the legs or the feet need not be on the same level, but they shall not alternate in relation to each other. A breaststroke kicking movement is not permitted ? ;) javascript:smilie(';)') The USMS rule drops the last sentence and adds: "The Breaststroke or whip kick may be used exclusively or interchangably with the dolphin kickwhile doing the Butterfly Stroke at any time during the race. However, when the breaststroke or whip kick is used, the arms must be recovered over the top of the water with each breaststroke or whip kick, except after the last such kick before the turn or finish. A scissors kicking movement is not permitted." It's one of the few rule differences between masters and FINA.

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

swim53 — Fri, 07 May 2004 10:02:40 GMT

Nice fly, Scansy!

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Former Member — Fri, 07 May 2004 08:59:35 GMT

From the FINA.org site listing rules...... SW 8.3 All up and down movements of the legs must be simultaneous. The position of the legs or the feet need not be on the same level, but they shall not alternate in relation to each other. A breaststroke kicking movement is not permitted ?

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

Former Member — Fri, 07 May 2004 08:44:18 GMT

My understanding is that frog kick with butterfly is now legal as long as you do that for the entire butterfly length. I am not sure that it counts for world records, though. In his book "Swimming Dynamics" Cecil Colwin details the evolution of butterfly and breaststroke. It's a fantastic section - a great read.

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Former Member — Fri, 07 May 2004 08:37:20 GMT

I can't even get the web page to come up. Also, I am at the office (I should be working!:D ), and can't install anything here without permission and a lot of paperwork. Either that or I have to corner the computer guy in the hall and threaten him. I will try from home later.

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

Former Member — Fri, 07 May 2004 08:27:35 GMT

Originally posted by mattson Not just one 200 fly, but 10 of them... You know, suddenly I can't even do one stroke of butterfly. ;) Scansy, you'll be pleased to know, besides the pictures and audio clips from Nationals, there is a mpeg file of your butterfly on the net. Enjoy. (I think my fly looks very similar.) :D The link didn't work!:confused:

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

Rob Copeland — Fri, 07 May 2004 08:22:34 GMT

I’m not sure what you mean by older people; there are some 60 and 70 year olds still tearing it up. Be thankful you have a butterfly that looks very beautiful. But to your question, fast butterfly requires more upper body strength than other strokes. Also, it is the most difficult to maintain good position and technique as you begin to fatigue. And finally the recovery on butterfly requires more shoulder flexibility than any other recovery. As we age we naturally loose strength and flexibility. Working out with weights and stretching can help. Other suggestions, in addition to leg snap (swimming fast 25’s or 50’s with fins will help this), would be to press with the chest on the entry, and use the finish of the stroke to accelerate the recovery.

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

Former Member — Fri, 07 May 2004 05:38:42 GMT

Some people over 65 still do a frog kick when they do fly as this is the way it was done back in the early 50s. There was talk about making that illegal, but I don't know if that ever came to pass.

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

MegSmath — Fri, 07 May 2004 04:51:24 GMT

You have always been able to use the frog kick with butterfly in Masters swimming. It counts for Masters world and national records. You can switch between dolphin and breaststroke kick as much as you want, but if you're using breaststroke kick you can only take one kick off the start and turns.

RE: butterfly for older swimmers

Jim Clemmons — Fri, 07 May 2004 04:34:26 GMT

Worked for me. Do you have Windows Media Player installed?