2004 World Championship in Riccione

RE: 2004 World Championship in Riccione

Former Member — Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:01:20 GMT

Today's winners from the USA in the 3K Open Waterare George Brunstadt the only man, and two women, Suzanne Heim-Bowen, and Marcia (I think it is) Barry. If the complete results are available, I couldn't find them.

RE: 2004 World Championship in Riccione

Former Member — Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:26:24 GMT

thanx jim, The results are all there, including splits and everything you want to know. That includes the no shows (NS) and the (NT), those whose times were slower than the qualifying times. And yes, those who were DQed

RE: 2004 World Championship in Riccione

Jim Clemmons — Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:34:17 GMT

Results: 62.101.83.30/.../index.html :)

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Former Member — Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:16:08 GMT

The Google translation of the results page is kind of amusing: Google translation of results

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Former Member — Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:36:44 GMT

So, anyway, the USA winners of the women's 50 backstroke were Agnes Janet Cederlund and Betty Lorenzi, and the men were Paul Hutinger, Peter Van Dijk, Richard Weick, Tom Geiman, and Derek Robinson. John Van Buren of Canada also won but did not equal the world record he set in Edmonton last month. The 200 freestyle women winners were Rita Simonton, Suzanne Heim-Bowen, Charlotte Peterson, and (naturally) Nadine Day! The men winers were Frank Grannis, Donald McIntosh, and Jack Groselle.

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Former Member — Tue, 08 Jun 2004 09:30:59 GMT

Hi, Like many, I'm a disgusted with the meet organizers avarice and paucity with respect to the meet results. I would really like to know how my friends did in the meet - I did not expect the great on-line coverage we get from USMS Nationals - results on-line within minutes of race finish - but I did hope to see the results and splits within the day. After some research and reformatting, I'd like to offer the following information that was dervived from the FIN website - partial gold medal results, country and world record counts for results (as of Tuesday). I don't speak Italian, so all translation errors are mine. On the New Mexico Masters Website, there is a link to the gold medal results: www.zianet.com/.../ I'll update the page as soon as the Italian FIN publishes their results. I know that we will do a better job in Stanford!! See you in the water, Philipp

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mattson — Tue, 08 Jun 2004 04:32:12 GMT

Originally posted by LindsayNB The Google translation of the results page is kind of amusing: Google translation of results The first sentence said it all: "Lorenzo Marugo, 52 years, former athlete and today federal doctor, has gained its quarter contest obtaining the third world-wide supremacy in long bathtub of category 50-54 years, after those of the 200 frog and 200 compounds." So does the Indy pool qualify as a long or short bathtub? :D

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Former Member — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:28:00 GMT

hey joy, Today's www is only a digit or two from yesterday's, but the whole thing is: www.federnuoto.it/masters.asp

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Former Member — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:08:27 GMT

Oh yeah, the three men winning the gold for the USA in the 400IM (misti as they say) were William Johnston, Todd Spieker, and Jens-Peter Berndt. Tomorrow's events will be the 200 freestyle and the 50 backstroke, as well as a mixed relay. Which one, I didn't notice. Wednesday has the 200 BUTTERFLY (excuse the upper case), the 50 freestyle, and the 100 backstroke. Thursday has about forty 'lebben swimmers doing the open water 3000 meters before leaving for tours or home.

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Former Member — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 13:23:08 GMT

The latest report from Riccione has three winners from the USA in the 100 meter breaststroke, Nadine Day, Jack Groselle, and former Indiana (with Doc Counsilman) great, Ken Frost. The 400 IM was a little more productive with Lois Kivi Nochman, June Krauser, Jackie Marr, Laureen Welting, and Nadine Day. Laureen and Nadine swam in adjacent lanes in the last heat of the event which was seeded with mixed age groups by seed times only! Judie Oliver from Canada was also a winner.

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joy — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:38:23 GMT

Doug where did those results come from. Any times for the 400 IM or any of the others. This am those results weren't on the website and tonite I only see diving. Thanz

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Former Member — Sun, 06 Jun 2004 11:21:16 GMT

Hey, y'all. The latest results of the winners (only) have from USA: 50 *** three men, Edward Rudloff, Peter Anderson, and Jack Groselle. None of our women were first in this event. The 100 Butterfly: Lois Kivi Nochman, and (from the #28 seed) Zsejke Tusa was the winner in the 25-29!!! Also Canadian Judie Oliver in the 70-74. The men had William Johnston, Thomas Maine, William Lauer, and Thomas Geiman. Also Canadian John Van Buren. The 400 Freestyle: William Lauer and Tod Spieker the only men winners, but the women had three, Rita Simonton. Jackie Marr, S. Heim-Bowen, and S. Simpson. The 200 Backstroke: 4 men from USA, Paul Hutinger,Tod Spieker, Frederico Ferroggiaro, and Jens-Peter Berndt. Also Canadian Wieslaw Musial. Just one women, Agnes Janet Cederlund. This I gleaned from www.federnuoto.it/federazione.asp?p=articolo&id=3940

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Former Member — Sun, 06 Jun 2004 10:46:11 GMT

There's some coverage on the Italian Federation site: FIN Italy The articles are mostly about Italian swimmers. There are all the gold medals updated through yesterday on the various pages. Where the time is followed by "R.M." that means "Record Mondiale" or rather, can you guess? World Record! Throughout the day I'll check if they start posting the complete results. And, yes, the international date line is way off in the middle of the Pacific, so we are NOT a day ahead of the USA... just a few hours...

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Former Member — Sun, 06 Jun 2004 06:30:31 GMT

Well, that's a bummer! I didn't hear anything about having to BUY the results! I completely agree with swiminfo that results are not proprietary information, but public.... There's quite an uproar about this on our Italian masters forum... Italian Masters Forum We're making up for it by publishing results we know about on the forum, but that's an arduous task! Let's hope they change their minds... Ciao!

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Former Member — Sun, 06 Jun 2004 05:58:38 GMT

yes, it's really silly to work hard and eventually to create a bad impression; stupidity is a fault, of course, but i hope people will forget this incident; anyway, i wish to thank Maryyyyyy for having always tried to give a good image of italy. - - - 'bye, antonio

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Former Member — Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:23:12 GMT

Hey y'all. I can't believe I found the results for the first two days. Actually only the winners of each age group were listed, but I've copied the list of USMS swimmers. Todd Spieker, William Lauer, Denise Brown, Meredith Moore, Jackie Marr, Agnes Janet Cederlund, and Rita Simonton. But please note that for whatever reason, that men from the age groups from 25, 30, 35, 40, and 45 are not included, nor the women's from 25, and 30 are not included. The above are from the 800 free which was held on day one. Day two champions are from all age groups, both men and women. Swimmers from the USA that won their events are: for the 200 IM W.C. Muter (whose time was erroneously listed as 4 42 09, but probably was 2 42 09) and J.P. Berndt, Lois Nochman, and Nadine Day. The 50 Fly winners were W. Johnston, Frank Grannis, *** Webber, and T. Geiman, while the only USA woman winner was Lois Nochman. There could have been more men in the 50 Fly and the 100 Free, but the listing didn't get those under 40 for either event. Oh well! Those winning the 100 Free were Rita Simonton and S. Heim-Bowen for the women, and W. Johnston, T.Geiman, and Jack Groselle (although he is listed as G. Jack!). I'll try my best to copy the website I found this on so here goes: www.federnuoto.it/masters.asp The results for the 800 had the same http: etc. as that given above except that the last numbers were 3921.

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Former Member — Sat, 05 Jun 2004 09:51:34 GMT

The 200 breaststroke winners have been posted on the website I mentioned yesterday which now ends &id=3934. NO USA swimmers made the grade in this event, neither men nor women!

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Former Member — Sat, 05 Jun 2004 08:47:02 GMT

The power of the lira, I mean Euro rears its ugly head! Not impressed at all.

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Former Member — Sat, 05 Jun 2004 08:42:30 GMT

This is why the results haven 't been posted. www.swiminfo.com/.../7343.asp Really, really stinks.

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Former Member — Sat, 05 Jun 2004 07:09:11 GMT

Originally posted by londoner62 Mary, if poss can you please post the url (when you discover its idendity)here for the results as that will increase the likelihood of more people seeing it, not that we wont still check www.masters2004.it/default.asp for the results there! Paul OK londoner62 (Paul)... I promise I will!

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Former Member — Sat, 05 Jun 2004 06:10:38 GMT

Originally posted by Maryyyyyy Regarding the lack of the results on-line, you might like to know that "we" Italians are a disappointed as y'all are. Our forum is abrew with complaints, and apologies to all you masters out there who are NOT here, and want to know what's going on. I have a feeling that enough complaining is going on that the results WILL be on-line sooner than later. Mary, if poss can you please post the url (when you discover its idendity)here for the results as that will increase the likelihood of more people seeing it, not that we wont still check www.masters2004.it/default.asp for the results there! Paul

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Former Member — Sat, 05 Jun 2004 05:42:02 GMT

Hi! I just got back home to Florence after 2 days in Riccione. It was absolutely GREAT! Everyone was having a good time... lots of great swimming, but also just plain good cheer. You may be surprised to hear that the organization is actually going really smoothly. The structure is holding up very well to the people and the events. The heats are running smoothly and I think surprisingly quickly. Yesterday the women finished 200im, 50fly and 100free by about 4, then the men went on until about 6. I met lots of wonderful people from all over the world, including the USA. The booth for the 2006 Championships at Stanford is continuously busy with people asking for information. Regarding the lack of the results on-line, you might like to know that "we" Italians are a disappointed as y'all are. Our forum is abrew with complaints, and apologies to all you masters out there who are NOT here, and want to know what's going on. I have a feeling that enough complaining is going on that the results WILL be on-line sooner than later. I'll be going back to Riccione on Monday. I can't wait! Ciao! Mary

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Former Member — Sat, 05 Jun 2004 05:10:20 GMT

Originally posted by Bert Bergen What, is it July 1 already? Is Italy already on their 10-week vacation where they tune out the world... Just gotta love those wise cracks which insult entire nations! Let's bash the USA now!!! Y'all, please remember that the whole world reads your site. Thanks. Mary Lokken

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Former Member — Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:06:52 GMT

Regardless of what time it is, the 800 was yesterday in both places!

RE: 2004 World Championship in Riccione

Former Member — Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:20:23 GMT

where the heck are the results?!?